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To expect a 20 year old to pay towards the holiday?

381 replies

MrsRGervais · 19/03/2014 16:49

Dh and I are looking at a holiday abroad next year. It will cost a fortune as the holiday is to incorporate 4 adults and 2 children. The adults are his ds's aged 18 and 20. Now the 18 year old has special needs so can't really earn money so fair enough but Aibu to expect the 20 year old to put something towards the cost?? I really begrudge paying plane and accommodation costs for him when he's an adult and we're struggling to afford it. He's unlikely to take any spending money either as every time we've taken them somewhere he's not brought a penny with him (yet is bragging on Facebook about spending over £100 on lord of the rings memorabilia!)
DH will do doubt hit the roof at the suggestion of not paying 100% of the cost of his eldest but Aibu to suggest that he contributes? I'd certainly ask for a contribution from my own son once he was 18.

OP posts:
SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 18:15

The OP is not happy though....which is ultimately what this thread is about.

SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 18:16

Who has said they actively dislike their children and resent the cost of their upbringing? Confused

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/03/2014 18:17

This thread is in danger of descending into a Monty Python sketch.

True MaidOfStars Grin

brdgrl · 20/03/2014 18:21

My DSD would choose to come with us, actually. She might also go on a holiday with her friends, but she would want to come with us. (I see these assumptions all the time about teens and young adults not wanting to be with their families, but it wasn't true for me and it certainly isn't true of my DSC!)

However. We would struggle to afford to pay for a family of five to go on a holiday. She, on the other hand, would be able to pay her own way. The choice would come down to no holiday, or a significantly less costly holiday, for the rest of us (which would actually be far less appealing to her.)

brdgrl · 20/03/2014 18:23

I don't resent the cost of her upbringing, but I daresay by the age of 20 and with an adequate income, she's fairly upbrought.

Bowlersarm · 20/03/2014 18:28

SirCh The OP is not happy about paying for her stepchildren.

The OPs husband is very happy to pay for his children.

lainiekazan · 20/03/2014 18:28
  1. There is a bit of bragging on this thread, eg, "I pay for all my children and ten friends to go to Barbardos every year. Who wouldn't?"
  1. One stepson has SN. Does the stepson being expected to pay help out with him - even if it is just hanging out a lot with him? If so, then they sort of come as a pair and it would be mean to ask him to pay.
  1. If the dh wants them to come, and has offered to pay, The End really. Arguing about this looks mean spirited. If the stepson were an investment banker, yes, a contribution would be fair, but very clearly he is not.
brdgrl · 20/03/2014 18:32

The OP has stated that she would expect a contribution from her own child at 18, too.

I expect you will say that she is lying about that. And obviously she can't 'prove' her assertion.

Please accept that sometimes stepparents are capable of holding a view on parenting that is not formed by malice or ignorance.

Not paying for a holiday for another adult is a perfectly reasonable position. Even if it is not your own.

Shimmyshimmy · 20/03/2014 18:34

We wouldn't take money from either Dh's parent or ours...in fact we pay for them always. I went on holidays with my mum when I was 20 - I paid my way, there was never any question of taking money from my mum. We will expect dcs to make a contribution or at the very least we will not be funding their pocket money. What age are children considered adult and independent these days - I'm thinking it must be close to 30 for some!

foreverondiet · 20/03/2014 18:36

Unreasonable to ask for money unless he has a full time job.

SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 18:40

Bowlersarm - see brdgrl's post, which is exactly what I would have posted in response.

The OP also goes on to explain that her DSS does nothing much to earn his own money, but takes handouts from both his mum and dad. Indulged, much?

Bowlersarm · 20/03/2014 18:44

Was that to me brdgrl?

The OPs husband wants to pay for his children to go on holiday with them.

The OP resents paying for them. No one knows what will happen and how she will feel when her own DC get to that age.

I think it's a lovely thing to do, and I think the OP is being really unreasonable.

whatever5 · 20/03/2014 18:47

Few 20 year olds would pay the full cost of a holiday with their parents as if they had the money they would spend it on a holiday that they have chosen and with friends rather than parents/younger siblings. Therefore whether or not he should pay is irrelevant really. If the OP's DH wants him to go and spend time with the rest of the family, they will have to pay.

Bowlersarm · 20/03/2014 18:48

The OP isn't happy about it, but most people from what I have seen, think that is unreasonable of her.

I think a lot of 20 year olds accept hand outs from their parents if offered. I don't think that is relevant to the fact that the ops husband wants to pay for his sons to have a family holiday with them.

SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 18:52

I disagree - I think it's been a fairly even split between people who think she's BU and those who don't.

The fact is that her DS is 18, and she has already said that she wouldn't pay for him to go on holiday. The 20 year old sounds like a lazy git who holds his hands out for his over-indulging parents. Silly them.

SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 18:53

wouldn't pay the total cost of him going on holiday, ie spending money, holiday cost etc

Shimmyshimmy · 20/03/2014 18:54

I agree sir the Dss sounds over indulged, but that's not unusual.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 20/03/2014 18:55

My parents paid for me and my sister to go on holiday with them when I was at uni. They wanted our company, could afford it, so I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Soon after we graduated we decided to move in with our respective boyfriends (now husbands). We had low paid jobs and crummy rented flats. We no longer went on family holidays paid for by our parents because we were independent adults, with our own budget to stick to, which meant that dh and I didn't actually have a holiday of any sort for a couple of years because we couldn't afford it. It's called making your own way in the world and We were both absolutely fine with that. We also reckoned that it was about time that mum and dad treated themselves to some more exotic holidays than they had been going on for the past few years, due to forking out for us. So they went on a few long-haul trips and really enjoyed themselves. Which is absolutely as it should be.

Dh and I had a few years of couples holidays the more we began to earn and then when dsis and I had our first child ages about 30 someone came up with the idea of a big family holiday if everyone wanted to come. So dsis and I and our dh's and babies, and our mum and dad if they wanted to come. Which they did, and we split the cost of the cottage in Devon 3 ways. I think dad insisted on paying for the main food shop while we were down there, but each party generally paid their way. We have had family holidays in that way ever since until recently when people's differing opinions about the type or location of holidays they wanted meant we all went separately.

Dad has insisted on treating us all to the odd weekend in this country in a cottage because he enjoys it and because he knows that we wouldn't be able to afford a big extended family weekend somewhere AS WELL AS our own immediate family holiday. Which is fair enough I think.

But the idea that there are 35 year olds with decent jobs thinking it perfectly acceptable for their parents to pay out for a trip abroad and all food and drink there is outrageous to me. Parents need to make it clear from the outset whether is it a one-off treat with the location chosen and paid for by them, or if it is a jointly chosen and agreed on holiday with costs split equally.

With a 20 year old: if they are making an effort to do something with their life instead of sitting round not earning or learning, then I think it's fair enough to want to offer to pay for a holiday for them if they want their company on it. I don't see it as a "family holiday" by that age - as a parent I would no longer be choosing a holiday based on their particular wants or needs. I'd book where I wanted to go and seeing if my grown up child WANTED to come there with us.

A 20 year old who sat round doing feck all except buy Lord Of The Rings tat would not be invited by me, I'm afraid.

Viviennemary · 20/03/2014 18:55

I would normally expect a young person to pay to come on a family holiday. But if he does work then he certainly should take some of his own spending money. But if you genuinely can't afford to pay for him just tell him that. It's not right or wrong. It depends on circumstances. But if I couldn't afford to pay I'd be thinking about a cheaper holiday for everyone.

Viviennemary · 20/03/2014 18:57

I meant woundn't expect.

Bowlersarm · 20/03/2014 18:59

SirCh there is no fact stating that her DS is 18, and she hasn't said she wouldn't pay for him to go on holiday. We have no idea how old her children are as far as I can see? Where am I missing the info?

It definitely isn't an even split!

(We need the YABU/YANBU counter on posts someone was suggesting earlier. I don't think I can be bothered to actually count up)

brdgrl · 20/03/2014 19:08

If the dh wants them to come, and has offered to pay, The End really.
Erm, not really. In my house, anyway, a major luxury expenditure requires agreement by both parties. Hmm

brdgrl · 20/03/2014 19:14

No one knows what will happen and how she will feel when her own DC get to that age.

So your opinion, then, is based on your own actions in the same circumstances? You have faced this situation before yourself and therefore know exactly, yourself, how it all went down?

No, probably you know what you would do, with your own child, based on your own value system and circumstances.

So does the OP. Give her the respect of believing that she actually does know what her own stance on an issue is, please.

SirChenjin · 20/03/2014 19:41

I take that back - it's not the OP's DC who is 18. However, she did say that her kids will be taking her own spending money - something which her DSS doesn't do.

It is perfectly possible to decide what you would do in these circumstances in advance of your DC's reaching a certain age - as brdgrl rightly says, parenting decisions are based on a set of values and beliefs, and if you believe that adults of 20 (who have money to waste on Lord of the Rings tat) should be contributing to the family holiday to some extent, be that paying for their share or taking their own spending money, then that belief doesn't change with time. Equally, if you believe that 20 year olds should be earning a living or going to university rather than lounging about, driving a car that Mummy pays for, and going on free holidays without taking their own spending money then that belief doesn't change with time.

Bowlersarm · 20/03/2014 19:47

I don't agree with you brdgrl. If the ops DS is 17, you might have a point and she probably will take that stance. If he is 5, she hasn't a clue how she will be feeling in 13 years time about this. No one could.

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