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AIBU to buy my son a dress for his 3rd Birthday

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thebadwife · 19/03/2014 12:14

Just that really, I have always tried to dress my son in the most practical clothes for the activities of the day. The colour has never been important, which when was younger led to him being assumed to be a girl as often as he was a boy. Sometimes he wore leggings but mostly standard trousers, t-shirts and jumpers nothing particularly exciting, experimental or political.

However I have just had a daughter and my friends and family have been very generous and given us some lovely clothes for her which have included a few dresses. My son has always commented positively when I wear dresses, but has been really jealous of these tiny dresses and has asked several times if he can wear them. I told him they were too small but I would buy him a dress for his birthday in May. I have mentioned it to a few people and they have looked at me like I am crazy.

So AIBU?

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wimblehorse · 20/03/2014 15:34

ds1 (4) has recently stopped wanting to dress up as a princess when playing which I attribute to conforming to social norms through school. At age 3 he was perfectly happy dressing up as a fairy/princess/wearing jewellery etc. And I was happy for him. I felt a bit sad for him at Christmas when he refused to wear a dress when acting out the nativity story & had to be found a unisex pillow case costume instead of the sparkly one...
I remember hearing one mum screaming at her son in a play area "leave the buggy alone, it's for girls". Yeah, heaven forbid her son grows up to be an involved father Confused

minouminou · 20/03/2014 15:35

Username - looks like you've put a lot of thought into this rather than just running, screaming, away from The Gay!

Where do we draw the line? We've let DS do that - there are some places he's happy to wear a dress, like particular friends' houses, the park just by our house and some parties, yes. He decides, and he knows when it's going to be accepted without a word and when it's not. I actually wonder if he uses it as a friend filter sometimes....

Social norms - by having "norms" you implicitly accept that you're going to have outliers, (outlayers?) who don't conform, so as long as they're not damaging anyone, and they don't have "Shit off, Grandma" tattooed on their foreheads....leave it be.

Why is wearing dresses a step too far? Do you worry about bullying? We've never had to equip DS with one-liners, tbh, he's come up with them on his own. On Book Day, he didn't want to dress up so went into school as normal and when a chum asked him who he was, he shrugged and said "DS' Name".

You're right, it is tough out there, but there's no point encouraging children to hide themselves and their real selves away, because what does that teach them, ultimately? There's always going to be people who are different/unusual/individualistic...fuck it...even eccentric!

Too many people twist themselves into all kinds of shapes just trying to fit in to some perceived "normal" or "acceptable" and they end up wasting years! I was always a bit weird - nice with it, but quirky. I like me, always have done, and so do lots of other people....this is what I want for DS and DD - the confidence to be themselves. Not braying arrogance, just confidence to pootle along, ploughing their own furrows in life.

minouminou · 20/03/2014 15:37

TheBody - it really does happen, sadly.

In real life and online - have a gander at my Lego link.

Caitlin, I think that's because Lego is seen by default as a boy's toy.

MrsDeVere · 20/03/2014 15:38

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minouminou · 20/03/2014 15:40

MrsDV - You is a star!

You just nailed it. It's the NOT telling kids they CAN'T that does it.

EBearhug · 20/03/2014 15:55

Weird though, isn't it ... A centuary and a bit ago all this sort of mud was being stirred up by a few women wanting to wear trousers - and here we all are as bifurcated as you like and society hasn't crumbled

A century ago, all children - boys and girls - wore dresses until about age 3 or 4.

Caitlin17 · 20/03/2014 15:56

minouminou unless there has been a dramatic sea change I don't think Lego has ever been seen as a boys' I was born in 1959 and had loads of Lego, so did my friends. Fast forward to the 90s and it was still a unisex toy. Your earlier post about it being pure marketing is most likely correct; the generic toy is unisex but there are extras for girls.

Do Mecanno and Scalextric (definitely boys' toys when I were a lass) and Action Man still exist, and if so how are they marketed?
(You can see I'm not at work today! )

minouminou · 20/03/2014 16:01

Oh, I'm 42 and didn't stop playing with my Lego until I was about 13 or so!

There has, however been a bit of a sea-change - it's deffo seen as a boy-toy. I buy DS Lego and loads of people say "Ohhh, he can have some daddy-time now..." all that sort of stuff.

No - it's mummy-time. On paper it's unisex, but if you do into any of the - even massive - toy stores now, it's wall upon wall of Star Wars/Chima/death machine truck monster yaddah yaddah. Again, mainly down to marketing....

This is why I was bemoaning the (seeming) death of the basic sets, where you wet yourself with excitement at a tree or a window element!

UserNameDenied · 20/03/2014 16:02

minouminou lol, I am definitely not scared of The Gay. My children's sexuality doesn't concern me. I was trying to give an honest answer for why I would have dissuaded (not FORBID!) my sons from wearing normal dresses.

I also wonder how many of us have actually had boys asking to wear dresses and whether that would alter our views on this? I really thought I bought my boys and girls up to be independent free thinkers but my boys have been very boyish from the get go and have never shown the slightest interest in anything typically thought of as 'girlish'. This boyish'ness was a inherent part of them. We had a huge dress up box which they played with a lot but they never dressed in anything feminine. They were never told not to.

minouminou · 20/03/2014 16:04

....and I'm supposed to be working...at one point I was writing an interview up, gobshiting on here and eating a tiramisu...

minouminou · 20/03/2014 16:07

I was being a bit sarcy there and maybe having a PA dig at some other posters!

Yeah - DS has always been androgynous....just the way he is. You don't mess with him, though....

TheBody · 20/03/2014 16:31

yep littie girls/boys do look alike so could possibly have seen a boy in a dress.

maybe my filters are quite strong but as a cm for years running, if I may say, an outstanding setting Grin all the children played with all the toys and I never heard one parent mumbling about boys playing with prams or girls with Lego.

me and dsis had Lego from childhood and I am 50, she's older.

however I still think that to buy a boy a dress as a present is fairly unusual. even by mumsnet standards.

minouminou · 20/03/2014 16:48

The Body:

but as a cm for years running, if I may say, an outstanding setting Grin

Ha - love it...nothing like a bit of shameless self-promotion!

More seriously, though, I've heard things like "I don't mind (inserts boy's name) playing with his sister's pram, but He's (meaning DP/DH) a bit funny about it..." and so on.

Or another variation: "He loves playing with his sister's pram, but it's ok because he puts his trucks in it.

It's possible that your parents (as in clients) didn't want to complain directly to you because you are the best CM in the western hemisphere Wink.

TheBody · 20/03/2014 17:35

you could be right min Grin

as a cm you arnt allowed to have gender appropriated toys anyway so they would have been told where to get off.

anyway in my view you are born gay/straight/cross dressing etc. you can't be made or unmade you just are.

my friends son is gay and someone asked her 'when did he come out?' she replied, 'he was never in love'.

Nataleejah · 20/03/2014 18:10

I wouldn't buy a dress as a birthday gift thing. If mine wanted to dress up and play, always possible to find some old rags around the house or in a charity shop.

EBearhug · 20/03/2014 19:44

you are born gay/straight/cross dressing

How can you be born cross dressing, when ideas about clothing are entirely socially constructed? (I agree with sexual orientation, though.)

Clothes are just things we put on. They started out as a way of protecting us against heat and cold and sharp and bitey things in the environment. The differentiation between "male" and "female" clothes is just social convention, which changes between periods in history, geographical location and culture. We learn it all, it's not something you're born with.

bluepen · 20/03/2014 20:10

Do the people who want their boys in dresses, actually want girls?

ZingSweetCoconut · 20/03/2014 20:12

blue

I wonder about that too.
same with boys who have long hair (not by own choice)

Mrswellyboot · 20/03/2014 20:20

I wouldn't put a dress on my son and I don't know anyone in real life that would

Only being honest

LackaDAISYcal · 20/03/2014 20:23

wtaf? I have a daughter already, thanks. and what the fuck has hair length got to do with anything? Hers is short; does that mean I wish she was a boy? I've heard it all now Grin

I don't want my son in a dress; it's not like I force him to choose the blue chiffon over the pink shot silk on daily basis. He likes his sisters dresses and sometimes wears them. He has chosen to do this; he also wears his older brother's clothes, and my scarves and his dad's baseball hats. I see nothing wrong with letting him.

LackaDAISYcal · 20/03/2014 20:25

and I don't put my son in a dress; he dresses himself. Like all independant three/four/five year olds do. I haven't dressed my children for many years.

minouminou · 20/03/2014 20:31

No.
I have a DD.

What Lacka said.

bluepen · 20/03/2014 20:31

If your partner wanted to wear a dress a lot publically, is that ok to you? So there are no boundaries?

minouminou · 20/03/2014 20:35

If it was a sudden thing I'd wonder why it was suddenly the case.
But if he'd been wearing dresses on and off for all the time I'd known him...well...then it's something I'd alwYs known known about and would either accept or not.

5madthings · 20/03/2014 20:37

Lol when I did my thread on buying my ds3 a dress I got told I must want a girl... As I had four boys...and a girl!!

Ds1 has long hair, really long, he is 14 and as long as he washes it and brushes it he can do what he likes with it.

All my kids have gone through a blonde surfer style when little as I hated getting their baby hair cut. Ds2 and now ds3 have opted fir various styles, now it's shortish. Ds4 is short as he sometimes likes to spike it up with gel, it's also cheaper as dp can cut it himself.

I let my kids wear what they want, they get themselves dressed and they choose most of the clothes we buy for them. I just never saw the point of restricting their choice along gender lines, when they were little they had a lot of P.O.P stuff or similar, bright, stripes, colourful, as they got older they have developed their own taste and for ds3 that had included purple and sparkle and lots of dress up.

Ds1 and ds2 were into dress up as well and at the moment it's ds4's favorite thing and dd loveseat to. I just don't see a problem letting them choose esp as they get older and have to spend so much time in school uniform.

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