Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that we are in a new Victorian era of exploitation by the rich of everyone else

167 replies

AgaPanthers · 18/03/2014 00:56

And with full government support.

Examples:

Who benefits? Not the 7 or more people living in one of the shittiest, crime-ridden cesspits in Europe that is Slough, the owner of the house who boasts 'A Fantastic 14% Yield (Which bank will give you that for your money?) '

14% yield on farming poor people. My bank (fully government bailed out to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayer cash) gives me 0.5% on my savings.

  • Indentured immigrant labour - business owners don't want to pay people a wage sufficient to have the basic living standards that campaigners fought from the early years of this century onwards to guarantee to every full-time worker. Minimum wage cannot possibly support a family in large areas of the country.

So business owners campaign for unlimited immigration, because otherwise there aren't enough people desperate enough to take their sub-poverty line pay: www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/let-more-immigrants-into-uk-because-brits-wont-take-our-jobs-says-dominos-pizza-boss-8992388.html

Australian billionaire Rupert Murdoch's rag The Sun ran a large feature on how worthless and lazy British workers are, on Friday, because there aren't enough of them (in Murdoch's view) willing to work for sub-poverty line wages: twitter.com/StigAbell/status/444802994891423744

  • Low pay subsidies - business owners don't want to pay a sufficient wage, so the government subsidises them in this with tax credits, paid to workers who would otherwise be unwilling to work for poverty-level wages.

  • The great property scam - house prices are beyond all records in terms of income multiples, affordability in terms of wages vs. mortgage payments. This impoverishes everyone in society except for the oldest (who bought their homes for nothing years ago), and who, by no coincidence whatsoever, are most likely to vote, and wealthy landowners (who own more property than they need, and therefore can sell it off at inflated prices to serfs), as ever larger debt repayments are made to banks and to the largest landowners.

Gidiot announced today that the taxpayer will underwrite house builders (big donors to his party) to sell off their shitty newbuild houses at ludicrous debt slave valuations until at least 2020: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26611163

Politicians of all parties support all aspects of this.

We had a post-war 'consensus' between the two major parties. Those who were born with everything would pay higher taxes in order to give opportunity to those born with nothing.

This consensus was smashed by Thatcher, who claimed to represent the little man, selling Sid a couple of hundred British Gas shares, and his council house, but also shutting down any industry that didn't turn a profit every year.

The men of Merthyr Tydfil, once employed in their thousands by the town's coal and steel mills were put out to pasture in the 1980s, with vast numbers never working again, moved onto a diet of anti-depressants and incapacity benefits (news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4217648.stm) by a government that did not care to acknowledge the true scale of unemployment, as it sought to 'restructure' the country from one where most people were paid decent wages for their labour to one based on financial services, where the productive worker is nothing more than a cost centre, to be screwed into the ground, outsourced to India or, more recently, replaced with low-paid foreign labour.

It took Fettes-and-St-John's-Oxford-educated Blair to entrench this Thatcherite consensus permanently. He opened the doors to unlimited low-paid labour from Europe, and introduced the 'zero-hour contract'. He loaded up his 'portfolio' with dozens of 'investment properties', which his policies drove through the roof.

He consorted with crooks, floating around the Mediterranean with rich men whose only moral compass was to be found steering their 150-foot yachts.

He encouraged them to bring their capital, acquired under circumstances that are best not examined, to London, where it could be parked, subject only to the lightest of taxation, in buildings built by their spiritual predecessors, the pre-20th century land-owners, who acquired their wealth by Act of Parliament or royal whim, seizing it from those whose families had worked it for centuries.

His successor, Gordon Brown, formalised these men's tax-free residency, the so-called 'non-dom' status, with the payment of a nominal fee, which made legal and permanent the avoidance of millions of pounds in taxes.

Blair & his cronies were finally were replaced in 2010 by the new Conservative Party, remoulded in Blair's image and, to a man, from backgrounds of extraordinary privilege. Unlike their 20th century political aristocratic antecedents, the likes of Lord Douglas-Home, who might also come from aristocratic backgrounds, the sense that the Lord had some sort of paternal duty towards his men, had long since been abandoned, prey to the forces of 'greed is good' and globalisation.

The new government set out to redouble its predecessor's efforts in support of exploitation, offering business unpaid labour in the shape of 'Workfare', an initiative originating from a man, who unlike 'Sunman' trying out minimum-wage labour while earning a £150k/year salary, had no financial need to perform a day's work in his entire life, a man who claimed that people ENJOYED paying 40% tax, because it made them feel wealthy. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581860/Osborne-People-paying-40p-tax-feel-joining-aspirational-classes-success-Tory-MPs-accuse-Chancellor-insulting-middle-earners.htm Never mind that such earnings are insufficient to buy a small flat in Del Boy's Peckham, and that paying 40% tax, in Osborne's world, is only for the suckers subject to PAYE, with the truly wealthy able to employ lawyers and accountants to keep their taxes down to fraction of that figure.

AIBU to say that we have the most exploitative society in generations, and that it's only going to get worse?

OP posts:
IfNotNowThenWhen · 18/03/2014 12:17

YANBU.

SkipandTink · 18/03/2014 12:20

Amazing post and agree with all of it! I would also like to see a proper Labour party, a proper alternative to the Tories! I wish they would go back to their roots and give people the voice they need. It may happen yet. If times get tough enough.

IceBeing · 18/03/2014 12:27

yanbu Sad

softlysoftly · 18/03/2014 12:30

Ubik sorry where in that fact does it state they are therefore all evil setting out to ruin and destroy the poor?

Oh no it doesn't.

Yes we have a problem. No that isn't fixed by decrying "burn the rich" which is how this whole thread feels.

I'm a business owner, not rich though, currently allowing 2 romanian lads to bunk up for free in a flat above the place and paying them a decent wage for the job they do as they were being made homeless.

But I'm a business owner so first to be a victim of the revolution Hmm

Sicaq · 18/03/2014 12:36

I'd like to be part of fighting back ... can the hive mind here come up with ways to get that going? What has worked in the past, what could people with differing skills and amounts of free time contribute?

happyon · 18/03/2014 12:38

YANBU

I am an active member of the Labour Party and I find it all so depressing. I left Labour over the Gulf War but came back, just to be able to do something about this group of clowns who are busily ruining the country. The problem with Labour is that we don't know what we are or what we stand for. Members are generally more left wing than the leadership and are waiting for a steer, but nothing transpires. When I do door to doors, I find it virtually impossible to say to people what we are for, apart from not being like the Tories.

If any Labour people with power are reading this, give us something to work with, give us some hope and help us mobilise the rage that clearly exists in this country. The state education system and the NHS are being taken apart before our very eyes and what are Labour saying about it apart from 'we wouldn't be quite so bad or cut quite so fast'? Hmm

It's not good enough labour leadership

happyon · 18/03/2014 12:40

softly it's not about you, or doesn't have to be. My DH is a small business owner who pays proper wages and tried to do as much pro bono for good causes as he can. He loathes the Tories too.

SelectAUserName · 18/03/2014 12:43

YANBU. I also want to fight back, but we need some sort of concerted effort to have any clout - there have already been too many successful Daily-Mail-ist divide-and-rule tactics.

LaurieFairyCake · 18/03/2014 12:43

Yanbu

Just to add one other fact which made me stop in my tracks yesterday.

the 12 richest people in Britain have more wealth than the bottom 8 million people in Britain

The gap between rich and poor is beyond disgusting.

All wages should be living wages - £10 an hour, £12 in London

OwlCapone · 18/03/2014 12:49

So, all rich people are exploitive wankers are they? In the same way as all poor people are benefit scrounging scum?

AgaPanthers · 18/03/2014 12:51

Where did you read that, Owl?

OP posts:
Owllady · 18/03/2014 12:51

Yanbu
We care in the same situation dollius

OwlCapone · 18/03/2014 12:53

Your thread title where you comprehensively blame "the rich"

CelticPromise · 18/03/2014 13:03

Yes happyon! There's no hope for Labour if they won't listen to their members. I think they are over thinking and too nervous.

Spottybra · 18/03/2014 13:05

Agreed with everything. For me, fighting back involves the written word and the power of the Internet to make politicians stand up and realise this situation is no longer acceptable to anyone any longer.

They know we mistrust and loathe them. Yet whilst the majority of voices are silent, they can continue on their quest for power and wealth. I sincerely believe politicians should have to hold down real jobs on the real world for X number of years before being allowed to run for MP. Becoming an MP should be a philanthropic desire, not a career move.

And finally, I would love to see Her Majesty sack a Prime Minister for failing serve her people, because it's been a long time since a PM respected our Queen and country. If a PM cannot respect their Queen then wtaf respect can they hold for the country?

Scarletohello · 18/03/2014 13:05

Sadly, there is a party mobilising the rage in this country. They're called UKIP...

Degustibusnonestdisputandem · 18/03/2014 13:07

YA definitely NBU Sad

It seems we're sliding backwards into feudalism (or at the least, as others have said - rebranded workhouses...)

We intend to move to Australia within the next 4-5 years, and I am horrified at the backwards steps the current govt there is taking.

crescentmoon · 18/03/2014 13:09

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

AmericasTorturedBrow · 18/03/2014 13:16

That's the most terrifying thing Scarlet

I would never not vote but now see my only option is to spoil my ballot paper - I just don't trust any party or any political leader. Our local MP is incredible though so I will be voting him in, not his party.

PP poster suggestion of compulsory voting is a good one, if everyone votes "none of the above" then the politicians will be forced to have a serious rethink. As it is - everyone who bothers to vote just seems to vote against the party they don't want, they don't vote for the party that they do want.

Ubik1 · 18/03/2014 13:30

Softlysoftly

you are not rich

bochead · 18/03/2014 13:37

softlysoftly - owning a business does not make you one of the elite class being criticised in this thread, not unless your business is on same scale as those owned by Phillip Greene, or Roman Abramovich. (& enjoys the same light touch tax regime!)

Business ownership, or a profession have always been middle-class aspirations. Sadly due to excessive regulation/red tape for small businesses, and educational costs these are dreams slipping away from more young people every year.

AgaPanthers · 18/03/2014 13:56

OwlCapone I was talking about the zeitgeist, the dominant way of thinking. If you look at executive pay, for example, there is constant pressure to increase it, another £100 grand here, another half million bonus there. The general worker doesn't benefit from that. He is told he is lucky to have a job at all, and that there are 1000 Eastern Europeans lined up to replace him, or several billion that could do his job for less in the third world.

Executive pay TREBLED in 10 years. news.sky.com/story/1019820/executive-pay-uks-top-bosses-see-12-percent-rise

And this during a period when the economy, profits, share prices, whatever else, has performed very poorly.

There is no justification for that.

Of course individual rich people are bad and individual rich people are good. That's not the issue. It's about a society we live in that has as its raison d'être - in all the ways I said - of enriching the rich, at the expense of everyone else.

The rich have got much, much richer, and the poor are told, repeatedly, that they are lazy, debauched and should be grateful to receive any crumbs at all. They are the subject of TV documentaries and daily condemnation in the popular press, then others of their number, split by the divide and rule rhetoric employed on behalf of the richest, throw bricks through their doors. They are told that their homes, built as concrete slums to replace the homes forceably seized from their grandparents, sixty or so years ago, are now required to house foreign 'investors', who are considered far more important than they are. And this while their neighbours, living in Sid's old council house - long since sold off to a BTLer - complain bitterly, not about the outrageous rent paid to their landlord, nor ludicrous capital values forty times their annual salary, but that others among the have-nots have a home for life. A home that, within living memory, would have been disparaged by all but the most desperate, regarded as a place no self-respecting 'striver' would want to live in - this home is now a source for jealousy and hatred, even though they are no different today from 20 years ago. The only difference today is that the alternatives have been made so ludicrously expensive, to the benefit of the richest in society, and the banks, and yet the target for public opprobrium, is not the wealthy who perpetuated this scam, but the poor buggers who have lived in undesirable conditions for decades, and are suddenly, extraordinarily, the ones blamed for housing shortages, the ones told that they should 'get out'. God forbid that the likes of the UKIP housing spokesman, www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ukip-housing-spokesman-trousering-fortune-3175130 who receives a fortune in housing benefit each year, should receive any kind of cut to his huge, state-funded income, nope the focus is instead directed on those unfortunate souls living in his houses, who are told that they are 'under occupying', and must pay bedroom tax.

It is extraordinary that the target for criticism and cuts is invariably those at the bottom. We are told that they are stupid and unworthy, living on a diet of Jeremy Kyle and fatty takeaways. We are supposed to believe that the ten years less life that the residents of Barnsley will enjoy, on average, compared to say Chelsea, is a result of their bad choices and foolishness. The reality is they never had choices. They did not choose to born in an area where politicians simply switched off the lights, leaving nothing. The likes of Cameron or Osborne, if born to an average family in these areas, would never in a million years have made it to Eton, Oxbridge or Westminster. Labour are no different. They parachute the likes of Tristram Hunt, educated at a top north London private school, into represent the hopes and dreams of working class Stoke. Tony Blair, ludicrously, was said to represent Sedgefield, a northern town he has long since abandoned and probably forgotten entirely, in favour of rubbing shoulders with the super wealthy in his Georgian mansion in London.

OP posts:
SelectAUserName · 18/03/2014 13:59

Stands up and applauds AgaPanther

Smilesandpiles · 18/03/2014 14:06

I know it will never happen so this is for my own curiosity only:

What will happen if every single voter destroyed their voting card or not vote at all?

softlysoftly · 18/03/2014 14:13

My dads rich. He created employment for 100's of ex miners in a town that would have died. He's given land for local community group buildings to improve facilities and chances for local kids, many other things yet this thread title writes him off as he dares agree that the fiscal policies of the tories is the way to eventually improve the lot of all, that labour's drive to spend isn't the solution to our woes. That eventually someone has to pay.

Have you considered that differing views of economic policy makes someone different Not evil.