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Nest of Vapers- we continue to not BU to carry on vaping!!

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magimedi · 06/03/2014 22:23

This is now the fourth thread in six months - which must say something about vaping. Thread 3 & links back are here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1985116-AIBU-to-carry-on-evangalising-about-electronic-cigarettes-Part-3?pg=1

For all new vapers I will again copy Allergic's great summary of what all the terms mean - but don't hesitate to ask anything about vaping

We all started from scratch & know what how very confusing it can be.

No question is to daft to ask - it really can be a minefield but it is a route to no more cigarettes! (nearly 18 months in for me!)

Allergic's great summary:

""A very simple guide for those who have been a bit overwhelmed by all the variety discussed on this thread. Experienced vapers either ignore, or check for errors please!

There can be a trade off to be considered around cost, variety, overall experience and hassle.

The cigalike ones are the simplest to deal with in that you just unscrew one cart & screw in another. These tend to be the type that you can buy at the local market or shopping centre for a comparatively cheap initial purchase, but the carts they use can be very expensive and tend to be limited in flavours/strengths depending on brand. They can be useful in that they are small, look the most like "real" cigs, and are the most hassle-free, but the experience really isn't as good as other methods and the cost is higher.

The next step is to have a battery and disposable tank type system (CE4 in my case) where you buy the different liquids and fill the tank yourself. The batteries last a few months to a year (about the same or a little longer than the cigalikes) and the tanks (clearomisers) last anything from a couple of weeks to a couple of months - this can be extended by cleaning, but the coils inside do eventually pack in. This method is much cheaper and gives a much more satisfying experience, but has the added faff of unscrewing and topping up the tank rather than just chucking the

You can then go further and use tanks that have replaceable wicks & coils, can be stripped down & "serviced" etc. There's also a lot of variety and complexity available in the overall set-up e.g. variable voltage batteries. All these add to the hassle factor but allow the overall experience to be much better fine tuned to suit the vaper. Cost is a moot point here - you will save money using serviceable tanks, but people that get really into this can spend a fair bit on shiney new toys!

When it comes to the "juice" or liquid there's a hell of a lot of different things to consider - nicotine strength, flavour, the balance of "throat hit" vs vapour etc. But basically there are 3 ways to get the right juice which are buy ready made from a big importer (limited options), buy made to order from a smaller supplier (needs to steep for a few days), or buy the makings & mix your own (hassle, mess & steeping). These have been ordered from minimum hassle/maximum price to maximum hassle/minimum cost.

I'm a naturally lazy person and comparatively new to vaping, so I have a battery & disposable tank system, and am currently buying imported juice (Hangsen pineapple and Smartjuice Red tobacco flavour) which I know has steeped plenty while being shipped over and both brands have very good quality control. I will probably go directly to mostly mixing my own once I get a bit more money at the end of the month to buy all the bits & base liquids, though will probably continue buying the Smartjuice tobacco flavour because I like it so much! I doubt I will go down the road of serviceable tanks unless I get a nice glass one eventually."

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SchroSawMargeryDaw · 23/03/2014 19:24

You were right about Hangsen pineapple! Yum!

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 19:38

Glad you like it Schro Smile. At least one other person here can understand why I bought 100ml of it Grin.

It's recommended that tanks are cleaned out when changing flavours Livesforbedtime, as otherwise the old flavour can taint the new one. Not so important if they are similar e.g. replacing a fruit with another, but can be rather peculiar if they are very different flavours - don't think I'd fancy a minty type tinge to something like butterscotch for example. You should really have at least a couple of tanks anyway, as they don't last forever & just think of what a disaster it would be if the coil died when you didn't have a spare Shock.

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 23/03/2014 21:05

Yes, coil going when you don't have a spare is torturous (well it was for me anyway).

I don't think 100ml of pineapple would last long here!

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 21:49

An average of 20ml a week total vaping (just me here, but used to be a HEAVY smoker), with the pineapple I reckon about 2/3 to 3/4 of the total, means well over a month and heading for 2 months. And as it only cost me about 14 Euros, more than worth having to decant it into proper bottles Grin.

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 23/03/2014 21:58

How do you get it in to the teeny wee bottles? I like that the bottles I bought have actual long metal needle tips, big +!

I will say though, I think the guy that mixes them and sells at our local bootsale and sells all the big scary looking mods, I think his pineapple might be a bit nicer... But he's not easy for me to get to regularly and works out far more expensive if I am travelling there just for that as you need a taxi to and from the place.

I use about 10ish ml a week I think, DP thinks that I have stopped inhaling Confused he pointed it out tonight. I don't think it's all the time though.

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 22:06

The tops should actually come off - if you look very carefully the nozzle is (usually, is on all of mine) sort of frosted plastic whereas the main bottle is clear. If you think about it, that's how the guys that make the juice put it in there in the first place. First time it takes a bit of nadgering, but you should be able to sort of lever it off (I found a thin metal nail file helpful here!). Be careful if there's any liquid left in the bottle, as the lid sometimes comes of a bit jerky. I then use a cheapo plastic pipette (available from a few of the on-line juice places) to refill the bottle, & just push the top back into place.

The metal needle tips will actually pull out if you want, so be careful when you pull the top off & don't hold it by that but further down on the nozzle.

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 22:21

OK 2 photos (assuming I can get this to work), 1 showing the top next to the bottle & the other with the top sort of resting on top of the neck of the bottle. Bear in mind this is a 30ml bottle.

Plus a piccy of the Vision spinner & the Ego-C twist next to each other, so Ledare can see the difference in the rainbow Grin

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 22:28

Apologies for shitty pics, have a really ancient mobile!

Perihelion · 23/03/2014 22:39

Allergic with Bargin Vapours, what did you pay for postage? For the proper courrier delivery charge, I couldn't see it being much cheaper than several 30ml bottles from Premier e cig. Although I have been forgetting to convert into £'s.
Just back from a weekend with smoking pals, staying in non-smoking accomadation. Lovely and smug to be able to feed my nicotine addiction, without having to leave the sofa Grin

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 23/03/2014 22:57

Ahh thank you Allergic, does make sense now (and probably should have before!).

Very jealous of your Ego C Twist, mines is pink as they didn't have any rainbow left, or rainbow spinners. :(

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 23:02

Yeah not that much difference looking at it.

16.48 Euros including p&p for 100ml from Bargain Vapour. 3 x £5 from Premiere (who I've used and have no problems with) plus £2.50 does work out a bit more expensive at £17.50 for 90ml, and you'd have to order 5 x 30ml for it to have free p&p.

So - 1.65 Euro per 10ml Bargain Vapour (if buying 100ml)
£1.94 per 10ml from Premiere (if buying 90ml)
£1.66 per 10ml from Premiere (if buying 150ml or more)

Allergictoironing · 23/03/2014 23:11

If you can bear to wait forever a few weeks, FastTech may have the Ego C Twist in rainbow Schro. And a LOT cheaper than UK prices. But 2 things to be careful of with FastTech - a) make sure it doesn't say "type" or "for Ego C" in the description as that would be a copy and b) the FastTech free delivery isn't tracked unless you order $20 or more in the one delivery. OTOH, the prices look much cheaper even before you do the dollar to pound conversion - under 14 DOLLARS for a 13mAh Ego C twist in rainbow Shock.

SchroSawMargeryDaw · 24/03/2014 01:42

That is very cheap, my twist was £19...

Shonajoy · 24/03/2014 08:27

My vaping kit arrived Saturday, so real cigs thrown away and onto this. Managed to,get it set up fine, strawberry was my first choice, so in it went

I've previously vaped with the garage ones, and gave up as they were really hurting my throat. The problem is I'm finding this is too! I'm not giving up no excuses, but you press the button five times, then hold it down and inhale, I've been getting two puffs at a time to try and reduce the throat roughness. I have the kit from ecigwizard but I'm finding it much harder than the silk cut I used to smoke-this is in no way an excuse, I will buy another no bother, never fags again, just wondering if its a common side effect.x

Allergictoironing · 24/03/2014 09:14

Shona what strength are you vaping? If you were used to Silk Cut then you would want something a bit milder than the most commonly used 18mg nicotine. Plus there are different mixes of the "carrier" liquid, some are stronger throat hit & some are more vapour in general - see if you can find one that has more VG than PG as the base.

You may find you need to adjust your style of vaping. By this I mean much slower & shallower (& maybe shorter) drags than with a real cigarette, approach it like you would if you were going to take a drag of someone's un-tipped Gaulouise! I do know a few people who found vaping would dry their throats out a bit more when they first started, and needed to drink more until they got used to it.

I (and many other vapers I know) have discovered that the pattern of vaping is also different from smoking. With a cigarette you light one then smoke it all. With an e-cig people mostly seem to use it more frequently, but not consistently vape for the time a cigarette would take to smoke but only a few drags at a time.

If you're doing the 5 clicks each time you use it, that suggests that you're turning it off in between each use - there isn't really any need for this, the battery doesn't run down any faster if it's left on. You can leave it as it is, and just do the holding the button down bit when taking a drag. Makes life much easier, and also reduces the psychological thing of treating it like a real cig & vaping in 5-10 minute stints.

Cantabile · 24/03/2014 09:22

Hi! Not been around much, lots of catching up to do here Grin

Shona, I have mine 'on' permanently. So 5 clicks when I first get a battery and then I just vape. I'm not sure I've ever turned one off!

There are a couple of things which may cause a hurt throat. It may be that your PG/VG mix is too heavy on the PG: PG gives 'throat hit' and VG gives vapour. See if you can see anything on the bottle or on the order which tells you, it'll be two numbers, ie 80/20.

It may possibly be that you are drawing too hard on it. You have to do a slower, longer, gentler draw; not a quick puff type draw slightly different from that which you'd have on a fag.

Shonajoy · 24/03/2014 09:22

Brilliant thankyou so much. I will adjust my technique. I bought the 18mgs as they said since I was on 20 a day that was correct so will maybe try some lesser strength ones- I have 9 unopened strong ones now! Oh you're a genius, the not doing five clicks thing works! Thankyou so much for taking the time to no doubt repeat what you have a million times already! I'm so grateful xx

Allergictoironing · 24/03/2014 09:25

Just looked at the ecigwizard web site. They don't specify the nicotine strength of the liquid that comes with the kit, and class 18mg as medium, so I'm guessing that you have 18mg liquid. It also says their mix is 70%PG & 30% VG, you may want to find a supplier who will do a 50/50 mix.

The kit itself seems to be a standard Ego style battery from a good manufacturer (my favourite battery at the mo is a Vision). However you do need to bear in mind that depending on how much you use it that battery will last anything from 10 hours to a couple of days, then you'll have to put it on charge for a couple of hours - it's not recommended to leave them on charge all night - so you need to consider a spare if you can afford it. They also have a limited life measured in months, so a spare will be needed for when yours dies.

There's only 1 clearo/tank in the kit which is normal. However clearos have a limited life too, anything from a few weeks to a few months then the coil burns out, so a spare needs to be a high priority. The type they sell with that kit is a completely disposable one, so you can't just buy a replacement atomiser & swap that either. But clearos are cheap (especially on e-bay or Amazon Grin and the amount of money you will have saved in just a couple of weeks will pay for you to get spares of everything!

Cantabile · 24/03/2014 09:27

My big news is that I can sing again! I spent almost my whole life singing, have sung all over Europe (classical stuff) but had to stop when I became ill some years ago now, and haven't been able to produce a note for nearly 6 years. And because I was no longer singing, I was no longer exercising my throat, chords or lungs. And I smoked more. And more.

And now I can sing again!!!!!!, not well, not much range, but NOTES, actual notes come out. I can work on the rest...

Cantabile · 24/03/2014 09:29

Shona, the nicotine strength has nothing to do with the harshness on your throat. I honestly think you should stick with 18mg for the moment, but as Allergic says, change your PG/VG mix to 50/50. That's what I'm on mostly, and it does make a difference.

Allergictoironing · 24/03/2014 09:30

Ah a bit of x-posting I see!

You don't have to waste the spare liquid Shona - if you have 18mg & want to vape 12mg then buy some 0% nicotine of the same flavour & mix it 2 parts of the 18mg to 1 part of the 0mg. Same thing for the PG/VG mix - you can buy unflavoured VG in a range of strengths & just dilute your existing liquid with some of that - killing 2 birds with 1 stone if you get a low or zero nicotine VG, reducing the throat hit element AND the nicotine level Smile

Allergictoironing · 24/03/2014 09:31

Oh my Gods Cantabile, that is BRILLIANT! Thanks Wine and Cake for you!

Shonajoy · 24/03/2014 09:41

Thankyou both of you SO much, I'm not doing five clicks and am taking smaller puffs regularly, throat isn't hurting now. Cheers, am so happy!

Cantabile · 24/03/2014 09:49

I don't think any of us mind answering questions! I've certainly had so much info and help from people here and I'm happy to do the same. Evangelising about vaping!

Cantabile · 24/03/2014 10:12

Thanks Allergic Smile

X-posts galore!!!

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