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to have expected my parents to buy me a house? Long and boring sorry!

219 replies

JealousAndUnreasonable · 08/02/2014 18:26

Well not 'a' house, my house! Three years ago DH, I and our 3 DCs moved abroad to start a new life after DH was made redundant here. We sold our house and had enough equity for two year's rent and to buy furniture and a car as it was too expensive to take our stuff with us.

DH was on a work visa (went over and got a job before we went) and the plan was after two years we would apply for permanent residence and get a mortgage at which point I could work as well.

Anyway in brief, the house we found to rent was no longer available when we got out there as out paperwork took longer to go through than anticipated (we used a relocation agency which cost £££'s). When we got over there, DH had to start his job straight away and we just could not find another house to rent as there was literally nothing available in our price range except for a house literally right next to a lake which was not ideal for our 2 and 3 year olds!

We met a mortgage broker by chance one day who told us he could get us a mortgage which was something we had not considered as we were not permanent residents. After 4 weeks in a hotel room with 3 DC who were driving me nuts and no school for the eldest as we had no permanent address, we jumped at the chance and put most of our money down on a beautiful family house, mortgage was very affordable on the basis that DH would get paid his contracted salary and it was an upcoming area which the agent assured us would mean the house prices would rise quickly. All good up to now!

Two months later DH's car skidded on ice (very cold winter), he was lucky to be alive but had to take 4 months off work with his injuries with no sick pay as he did not qualify! I could not work due to our visas either. Not eligible for any benefits at all. We were literally living on credit cards and cereal (not the DCs). When DH went back to work, his employers changed his job so his pay was less and as he had no legal protection (not a citizen, new employee) we were buggered. Immediately we put the house on the market as we realised we were not going to cope financially and at least we could take the equity and just rent anything, even a cheap apartment.

House would not sell even when we lowered the price to below what we'd paid for it. The reason being that the government started a scheme to encourage people to build their own houses by releasing cheap land which was much cheaper than buying one that had already been built. I was basically phoning every mortgage company begging them to give us a bigger mortgage so we could release equity that way but again was refused due to residency and DH's lower wage. He could not change jobs due to his visa or take an extra job. We were completely trapped.

I did something I had never done before which was to ask my mother and stepfather for help. They had sold their house some years before and had the money from that in a savings account as they were living abroad in a house provided by my stepdad's job. They were planning on buying a house again in a few years but did not need that money at that time. Knowing this, I asked my mother if they would consider buying our house from us so we could release the equity to top up DH's wage until we were eligible for permanent residence and he could get a better job and so I could work. We would pay them rent (more than the interest they were getting from the bank account) and they would then either sell the house back to us taking any increase in value for themselves or we would try and sell it again giving them the increase in value. We would have got a solicitor to draw it up legally etc. I was not interested in taking money from them, just in salvaging the mess we were in.

They said NO. It was our problem to sort out. We continued for another 6 months hoping to sell, getting further behind with the mortgage, stress causing me panic attacks and eventually handed the house keys to the mortgage company and flew home using credit which we still have not paid off. The bank sold our house a few months later and we got a total of £4k back from a £50k investment (same house is now on the market for $100k than we bought it for!). We have no hope of ever raising enough money for a deposit to buy another house here as we are paying over £1k in rent!

My mother has recently told me that she has bailed my younger sister out to the tune of over £70k in paying off her debts, paying her rent, paying her DCs nursery fees and buying clothes and furniture for her. Sister has split up with the father of her DCs (although he still pays for them and has them on weekends) and she needed their help more than us apparently. She not bothered that my DCs were made homeless and we had to come back to the UK and lose everything.

AIBU to be furious about this?

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justanuthermanicmumsday · 11/02/2014 11:13

I sympathise with you but you should have stuck to renting or come back home. It was a huge gamble to go with the mortgage, and it clearly created more problems. I would be upset if my sibling was helped seemingly over me, but at the same time I don't think I would have asked them for such a huge amount of money.

I do think ppl are being a little unfair to you on here. It's all too easy to look be harsh when you haven't walked in that persona shoes. Ie saying she must be lazy why didn't she work. Child are is more expensive abroad than here, besides she has toddlers I happen to think toddlers need their parents more than luxuries that money can buy.

I also think the house beside the lake would have been fine make the property child safe and don't let the kids out without adults. I'd never consider a mortgage I don't want a debt on my head until I'm an oap., by which time the family home will have no kids and need to be downsized. I'm saving for freehold.

Hoppinggreen · 11/02/2014 11:18

The only housing option in Canda was a 5 bed 2 bath high spec new build with garage and land?
I'm rapidly losing sympathy here.

Mimishimi · 11/02/2014 11:36

Why couldn't you have rented a cheap apartment in the first place? We lived for six years in one in New Jersey where we did not have, and did not receive thanks to 9/11, permanent residency. Why did it have to be a house?

Sharaluck · 11/02/2014 12:58

Hmm it sounds like the mortgage broker offloaded a lemon of a house onto you.

Why on earth did you need to take on the financial responsibility of such a large house so early on after immigrating? Shock

Your parents are unreasonable about the inheritance but you were very unreasonable to take such a huge risk with the house.

expatinscotland · 11/02/2014 14:00

You made a REALLY stupid financial decision. The price of this is £50k and you have to rent. I' crying a river. No one is dead, you are not homeless,you just need to accept that this was your fault and move on.

People make mistakes. Sometimes it involves money. Be thankful it was just money and get on with your life.

soverylucky · 11/02/2014 14:05

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Quinteszilla · 11/02/2014 14:44

How much money did you spend on furnishing a 5 bed home? Heating a large detached home in a cold winter? You have had your priorities all wrong, coming to Canada and showing off with a massive house, not even having insurances, visas to work or money to pay yor living. Having a big head can be expensive. But I do understand that facing up to the fact that you and your dh caused this can be hard.

enriquetheringbearinglizard · 11/02/2014 14:59

I suppose the thread has derailed from AIBU to have expected DM and DSF to have helped us? to saying that YABU to have done what you did, which doesn't really help the situation now. I can't imagine anyone being unsympathetic to your rough few years. But
Immediately we put the house on the market as we realised we were not going to cope financially and at least we could take the equity and just rent anything, even a cheap apartment
Surely in the circumstances renting anything 'even a cheap apartment' is what you should've done in the first instance.
What you did do reads like a self help guide of how not to go about things.
Maybe this is at the root of the parents refusal to help? I don't think any of us here can work out why they've given your sister so much help or why they've acted as they did. It's too hard to say, but certainly the facts as given limit the amount of support you're going to get.

You've made some decisions which most reasonably intelligent people would never have gone for in a million years and you've literally paid the price for that, but as I said, knowing that's not helping.
All I can say is that you should move forward and make the best lives for your family that you can. Oh and the fact that your old house is now up for sale for so much more money? that means nothing until someone's actually bought it, only then could you know the true value of it.
I hope things pick up for you and thank goodness your DH recovered from his nasty accident.

mercibucket · 11/02/2014 15:51

i have a lot less sympathy now

you are not the kind of person to ask for a loan??
instead you want to offload something onto your parents - why? you give them the risk of losing all their money! thats not very nice!

all so you dont have to ask for a loan

pride . . .

expatinscotland · 11/02/2014 16:27

£50K down the toilet. Yeah, I'd probably want someone to bail me out, too. But then, if I ever had that kind of money, I wouldn't have been so utterly daft with it . . .

I'm actually surprised you got a mortgage, it's dead hard to do here if you do not have permanent residency at the least.

Preciousbane · 11/02/2014 17:35

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Creamycoolerwithcream · 11/02/2014 17:39

I can't work out if your OP is more unreasonable for asking her DP's to buy the house or for not thinking she is unreasonable for doing so.

candycoatedwaterdrops · 11/02/2014 18:20

I have to say that I am thinking you are more and more unreasonable. You are trying to make it sound like you are doing them a favour! Also, I'm wondering if their reluctance to help you was anything to do with your absolute refusal to admit you made a mistake in buying.

expatinscotland · 11/02/2014 18:26

'throwing away' money on a rented apartment would have cost you a lot less in the long run than the £50K you threw out the window.

myron · 12/02/2014 19:41

Overt favouritism is extremely hurtful. My MIL's major weakness is this and it's proving to be fairly extreme that it is damaging her relationship with her less favoured children. Everyone is healthy, able, in work and generally get along with each other. Her youngest is the favoured one.

MIL announced to DH that she was going to basically give a significant amount of money to his sibling for a house purchase (100K!) and that she couldn't afford to treat anyone else the same so they were getting nothing!

In context, the favoured child has had the advantage of handouts and holidays over the years which the others did not. The youngest sibling(28yrs old btw) is single, not disabled in anyway, works PT and is simply not interested in working more days/getting 'on' due to having a subsidised lifestyle which DH is hugely concerned with - especially with such parental over-indulgence which does no-one favours!

You need distance - your parents can do what they like - but you don't have to listen in polite obedience! Accepting there is favouritism in families is hard especially where there is denial - distance is how we cope with it. Sad but necessary - the silver lining is that DH is closer to his non-favoured sibling since they have to suffer the same behaviour/unfair treatment together.

Doitnicelyplease · 12/02/2014 21:43

Buying a house so quickly WAS a mistake. It was definitely a mistake, which you rushed into. It would have been much more sensible to rent for 6/12 months certainly until you were able to work also.

Yes you have had a hard time of it, and not all of it is your fault obviously, but if you can't see that all your problems were rushing into buying a 5 bed new build house within a month of landing in Canada then you will learn nothing from this experience.

You do know your husband could have been laid-off at anytime, just because they employed him and got you a visa does not mean you are protected in anyway, if they decide it is not working out, then you are out on your ear, with a visa that often won't let you work for anyone else. Surely you must have known this? V dicey situation to be committing to mortgage payment in.

On the money issue, it does sound like favouritism towards your DSIS, but I am not sure I would have help you out either in that situation.

Sorry that your plans did not work out, I would let this issue go and focus on moving forward and saving for a new deposit. Good luck.

SantasLittleMonkeyButler · 13/02/2014 11:42

Maybe the OP does now regret the decision to buy such a large house (although maybe it felt like a bargain, as they had been used to UK housing prices). If she was starting out again in Canada, with the same money on the table, perhaps she would choose to rent any available property, rather than concentrating on finding an ideal one, while they see how things are going to pan out.

But, I really don't think that's the issue here. The issue is the favouritism.

Had the OP's parents not given her sister £70k, I doubt very much this thread would ever have been started.

ComposHat · 13/02/2014 11:49

No favouritism isnt the issue. It is the expectation that the parents should step in and buy what seems to be a lemon of a house thst has already lost the op thousands of pounds.
The argument that they helped the sister so they should be morally obliged to chuck whatever money they have left into a massive black hole is ridiculous.

If tge op had asked for a loan to cover a few months mortgage payments and had been knocked back then I may have had a bit more sympathy. But apparently lians 'aren't her style. '

NigellasDealer · 13/02/2014 11:50

what if your parents were dead? who would bail you out then?

springykyrie · 13/02/2014 13:04

Dear me, I'd probably be hung, drawn and quartered too if some of my decisions came under the microscope. We're not all always 'sensible' - there were mitigating factors eg you had lost employment here and it looked like a great opportunity to start again. It could have worked out - in fact often does. So many of us can look back and sweat a bit at how close we came to potential disaster. You had a very, very rough ride and I don't think YABU to have asked your parents to low investment into something that was clearly going to yield at some point, especially as they plan to move there themselves. Of course they could have stepped in, it would have been a good investment. As for 'a shame you didn't stay to ease their passage'.... words fail me. That locates them right there Sad

Coming from a toxic family myself (where I am curiously viewed as 'not real' somehow).... a story has stuck with me: don't beat your hands on a closed door until your hands are bloodied. it is especially difficult to stop hoping when there is a light under the door indicating that someone is in; you have to accept that the door is not going to open.

So, move out of their house, put a huge distance between you, perhaps cut contact? Don't look to them or expect anything from them. They have made it abundantly clear that they are not going to support you - they didn't turn up in any capacity in your darkest hour; have made it clear you won't inherit; blindly support your feckless sister.

Cravey · 13/02/2014 14:36

Come of it. She had a plan all drawn up for her parents to bail her out. That's not right in any way shape or form. She's bloody self obsessed and needs to sort her own problems out.

pixiepotter · 13/02/2014 14:39

If you found there to be a shortage of rental properties, could you not rent this big house out at a rate to cover the mortgage and then look for something within your means to rent for yourselves?

expatinscotland · 13/02/2014 14:49

pixie, the house is already gone. They gave it back to the bank and lost £46k by being foolish.

Laquitar · 13/02/2014 19:10

No we all make mistakes but at least we admit it. OP still feels that she made clever choices. So if i was her mum i would be scared to give her money in case someguy tells her to go to Las Vegas and put it on the roullette on number 12.
And while i would lend my dd money to cover her mortgage for a modest house but not if she has choosen to buy a 5bed, 3 baths one. Perhaps they can do with one toilet and take turns to shit like many others do. There is some arrogance in OPs posts i.e. 'even renting a cheap flat', 'how could i rent near a lake' etc, which makes me think that if she sounds arrogant now that she has lost how was she before? Maybe her mum is fed up of that?
As for lessons learnt, apart from the new aknown country, job insecurity etc. OP 'hi spec' houses are never an investment. Never. They lose value by the time you say 'contract', when something new is build. They nice to live in, i love them. But they are not investment.

springykyrie · 13/02/2014 23:04

Job's friends. All your fault, OP, hang your head in shame you absolute dog you