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to have expected my parents to buy me a house? Long and boring sorry!

219 replies

JealousAndUnreasonable · 08/02/2014 18:26

Well not 'a' house, my house! Three years ago DH, I and our 3 DCs moved abroad to start a new life after DH was made redundant here. We sold our house and had enough equity for two year's rent and to buy furniture and a car as it was too expensive to take our stuff with us.

DH was on a work visa (went over and got a job before we went) and the plan was after two years we would apply for permanent residence and get a mortgage at which point I could work as well.

Anyway in brief, the house we found to rent was no longer available when we got out there as out paperwork took longer to go through than anticipated (we used a relocation agency which cost £££'s). When we got over there, DH had to start his job straight away and we just could not find another house to rent as there was literally nothing available in our price range except for a house literally right next to a lake which was not ideal for our 2 and 3 year olds!

We met a mortgage broker by chance one day who told us he could get us a mortgage which was something we had not considered as we were not permanent residents. After 4 weeks in a hotel room with 3 DC who were driving me nuts and no school for the eldest as we had no permanent address, we jumped at the chance and put most of our money down on a beautiful family house, mortgage was very affordable on the basis that DH would get paid his contracted salary and it was an upcoming area which the agent assured us would mean the house prices would rise quickly. All good up to now!

Two months later DH's car skidded on ice (very cold winter), he was lucky to be alive but had to take 4 months off work with his injuries with no sick pay as he did not qualify! I could not work due to our visas either. Not eligible for any benefits at all. We were literally living on credit cards and cereal (not the DCs). When DH went back to work, his employers changed his job so his pay was less and as he had no legal protection (not a citizen, new employee) we were buggered. Immediately we put the house on the market as we realised we were not going to cope financially and at least we could take the equity and just rent anything, even a cheap apartment.

House would not sell even when we lowered the price to below what we'd paid for it. The reason being that the government started a scheme to encourage people to build their own houses by releasing cheap land which was much cheaper than buying one that had already been built. I was basically phoning every mortgage company begging them to give us a bigger mortgage so we could release equity that way but again was refused due to residency and DH's lower wage. He could not change jobs due to his visa or take an extra job. We were completely trapped.

I did something I had never done before which was to ask my mother and stepfather for help. They had sold their house some years before and had the money from that in a savings account as they were living abroad in a house provided by my stepdad's job. They were planning on buying a house again in a few years but did not need that money at that time. Knowing this, I asked my mother if they would consider buying our house from us so we could release the equity to top up DH's wage until we were eligible for permanent residence and he could get a better job and so I could work. We would pay them rent (more than the interest they were getting from the bank account) and they would then either sell the house back to us taking any increase in value for themselves or we would try and sell it again giving them the increase in value. We would have got a solicitor to draw it up legally etc. I was not interested in taking money from them, just in salvaging the mess we were in.

They said NO. It was our problem to sort out. We continued for another 6 months hoping to sell, getting further behind with the mortgage, stress causing me panic attacks and eventually handed the house keys to the mortgage company and flew home using credit which we still have not paid off. The bank sold our house a few months later and we got a total of £4k back from a £50k investment (same house is now on the market for $100k than we bought it for!). We have no hope of ever raising enough money for a deposit to buy another house here as we are paying over £1k in rent!

My mother has recently told me that she has bailed my younger sister out to the tune of over £70k in paying off her debts, paying her rent, paying her DCs nursery fees and buying clothes and furniture for her. Sister has split up with the father of her DCs (although he still pays for them and has them on weekends) and she needed their help more than us apparently. She not bothered that my DCs were made homeless and we had to come back to the UK and lose everything.

AIBU to be furious about this?

OP posts:
KeatsiePie · 09/02/2014 04:22

[wanders back through] I guess I should say my parents would have done something concretely helpful. If they didn't think buying the house was possible or sensible, they would think through how else they could help and then offer. To me what's really crummy about the situation is not that your mom and stepdad didn't buy the house, but that they didn't want to do anything.

Mimishimi · 09/02/2014 04:25

Is it the case that after your mum's remarriage to your SF, he earned all the money OP (eg she stayed home and didn't work) and she feels that she's simply not in a position to financially help you at all? Whereas your SF was more willing to give money to his own flesh and blood? That is really rotten for you but I'd try to find out whether your mum tried to convince him to help you or not. If not, it could come back to bite them in a very nasty way as they get older and might find they need more help themselves.

steff13 · 09/02/2014 04:32

I think I would help my child in this situation, but it would depend on the history. If the child in question had made lots of clearly bad financial choices, I don't know if I would help in that way. You don't solve money problems with money, as they say.

I'm not implying that the OP has a history of bad financial choices, but i can see that as a situation where I wouldn't automatically help with money.

angeltulips · 09/02/2014 04:49

I don't really understand how the house lost value because of a "scheme" but has now gained it back...but anyway. I also don't understand why you'd ask your parents to buy the house rather than just funding your mortgage for the time it took you to get back on your feet.

ANYWAY

Yanbu re the favouritism.

Yabu re your appalling decision making - wtf were you thinking?!

Glad your DH is ok now.

CheerfulYank · 09/02/2014 05:05

YABU to expect them to buy the house. However YANBU to expect them to help a bit if they can, and YADNBU to be upset at such blatant favoritism.

I hope your DH is well soon. Flowers

Roshbegosh · 09/02/2014 05:10

I think you need to have a conversation with your mother before deciding to distance yourself from her. Maybe when you see things from her point of view you will understand what they did and feel less upset. Maybe. I do think that if she is onside with your SF about leaving you out of the will that is rotten of her. I would tell her that. She is married to him fgs and half the assets are hers, he should always have treated you as his own and she should have expected and insisted on it. Tell her that she let you down by marrying him and treating you as second class forever afterwards.

Giving money to your sister may have been in a series of small amounts rather than a lump so that would have felt easier to do.

You made some decisions that were mistakes and you had some bad luck but now you need to move forward and enjoy what you have. Life will be good again when you have all finished licking your wounds.

Bedtime1 · 09/02/2014 05:43

I don't think the business proposal you offered was very good . However I do think they could have found a way to help you just like they helped your sister. Although they might have felt more inclined to help because there is only her I think 70k is way more than help. If they are going to give her so much then I think they should treat the other kids the same. It's not fair at all.

Your mum sounds like she is taking advantage of you. She was coming to live out there with you, then grumbles that you have now made it more difficult for her to move there, when she could have just helped you out in some way and you would have stayed and it would have Been easier. She is so cheeky. Do you not say anything to her?

Also the will thing is awful, you don't segregate children like that it's nasty. She is the mother of you all and you should all benefit from the will. It's not Right and she is creating jealousy there. You don't owe her a thing. Have you had a word with her about the way she treats you? It's no excuse wether step dad has worked for it, she is his wife and she should be fighting your corner as your mum.

Like others have said get on with your own life. She doesn't seem to care that you have feelings, she's just using you.

sykadelic15 · 09/02/2014 06:22

I understand why you're upset and why you feel it's totally unfair that they helped your sister and not you guys (and it is and I would be upset in the same situation)... but ultimately it's their money and their choice.

Try and move past how you're feeling right now and be proud of yourselves for managing to do it without help (even though you're out a bit of money right now).

Most likely they helped her because it's the same country and they know how things work there. They didn't feel like they were sending money overseas and getting nothing physical in return (nothing they could see). It probably just seemed way too difficult and time consuming. Honestly in their position I would have offered to help you move back, but I wouldn't have bought your house... especially when you've admitted you've had a tough time moving it so they would have felt like it was a total waste.

ivanapoo · 09/02/2014 07:32

YABU to expect them to buy the house but YANBU in all other ways. They should have offered support when you asked for help, even if practical not financial. They shouldn't rub it in about bailing your sister out or moaning about you moving back. And their favouritism is really nasty.

Misspixietrix · 09/02/2014 08:56

I'm guessing the OP wasn't thinking her DH would have a serious accident Confused Do we all make plans for such events? OP YNBU. There is obvious favouritism going on. As Keitsie up above said. It's the fact they didn't do anything to help you. As opposed to not buying the house for you.

lljkk · 09/02/2014 09:01

I was pretty sure on yanbu when I read OP & even more so having read rest of the messages.
Most parents would have come up with something to try to help.
I'm not sure what you do about it all, though. :(

Logg1e · 09/02/2014 09:12

MissPixie People have outlined again and again what could have been planned for. Not once has anyone included her husband's accident.

SayCheesePlease · 09/02/2014 09:14

i think you're right op. you're nbu

you're parents helped your sister because her marriage fell apart??
so?? you lost out on home and job as well as an injured partner but you got told a flat no

simillar thing happening in our lives atm, but on a smaller scale and it pisses you off, unless you've been through it and need the help, you wont fully understand

3littlefrogs · 09/02/2014 09:20

OP. Caring for elderly parents is one of the hardest, most stressful jobs there is.
IMO you have now been absolved of all responsibility for that. I would now stop contact and let your sister get on with it when the time comes.
I am sorry you have had such a rotten time.

Hoppinggreen · 09/02/2014 09:21

Where do the money come from that your mum and step dad have?
My stepdad ( who I am very fond of) has a lot more money than my mum but when she has helped us out n the past I have always only taken money from my mum. I wouldn't feel happy taking money from my stepdad, although I was in my 20's when they got together which might make a difference.
It might seem unfair that they could hVe helped OP but didn't but it sounds like the whole emigration plan was ill planned and thought out. You can't plan for things like accidents but you can mAke sure you have some contingency. Buying a house was nuts - but I suppose hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Are you still living with them? I remember your other post where your stepdad want happy about you living there and " sponging" off them. Sounds like you need to stand on your own 2 feet now, learn from past mistakes and never rely on anyone else bailing you out.

Misspixietrix · 09/02/2014 09:22

I know. I have read the thread. Just think people are being harsh with the 'you should sort your own mess out'. She knows that they made a mistake. She isn't however being unreasonable to be seriously pissed off at the fact they've willingly bailed her Dsis out. Whilst not even offering her a loan to tide her over.

3littlefrogs · 09/02/2014 09:24

Meant to say, as a parent of grown up children myself, I would move heaven and earth to help my children if necessary.

How is your DH now OP?

chibi · 09/02/2014 09:31

people can do what they like.

my PiLs got over £100K from their house sale, moved to a highly rent controlled flat and lived with minimal outgoings. and pissed through the £100K in 5 years anyway Grin

which was fine, it was theirs to do with as they liked and it would have been wrong to see that money as earmarked for us.

having said that, it would have been nice if they'd left a few hundred to help with their burial costs, they died within 3 months of each other, and we paid for all of it as there was no money whatsoever.

Jinsei · 09/02/2014 09:32

I'm guessing the OP wasn't thinking her DH would have a serious accident Do we all make plans for such events?

Well, clearly we don't all make such plans, but we should. When DH and I took out our mortgage, this was one of our first considerations - what would happen if one of us fell ill, had an accident, lost our job etc. Shit does happen, and you have to plan for it, just in case.

This is all the more important if you're moving your family across the world, as you're effectively moving away from all of your normal safety nets. As someone who has made this sort of move myself, I'm really surprised that this wasn't something that the OP considered. In my view, it's pretty basic stuff.

It's one thing to take risks and hope for the best when it's just you, but I think it's irresponsible with young children. The OP and her DP should have thought things through more before they decided to emigrate.

Custardo · 09/02/2014 09:35

i don think yabu.

not at all

Roshbegosh · 09/02/2014 09:40

Hope you have read the small print jinsei. I have found those policies a waste of time, like PPI.

Jinsei · 09/02/2014 09:46

I'm not talking about PPI, Rosh. We did read the small print and chose not to go down that route, but we have made other back-up plans.

PollyPutTheKettle · 09/02/2014 09:51

I can understand you feel angry. But I wonder why you didn't just ask for a loan. I can see from their perspective they wouldn't want to risk money in a property but a loan to tie you over would have been better.

It's hard to say if YABU or not as you would need to understand the full back story.

I am sorry you have had such an awful time though. Most of us are a paypacket or two from financial trouble. It's all well and good to say you should have prepared but more often than not that's very difficult.

SirChenjin · 09/02/2014 09:52

It's their money, their choice, yes, they didn't think it through properly blah blah blah blah blah...

I'm sure as hell I wouldn't leave anyone in my family in a situation like this though, if I had the money to help them - esp. when they planned to pay rent and then the remainder of the loan. YANBU OP

ToBeSure · 09/02/2014 09:54

The decision to buy the house in the first place was obviously a bit daft. You can't anticipate near fatal car crashes but you should allow for problems with new jobs. I don't understand why you couldn't find somewhere to rent? Even staying in an apartment style hotel would have been a better plan.
It all seems a bit silly. I have been an expat for many years (and many countries including Canada) but we gave always been careful to make sensible decisions.

I can totally understand why your DM wouldn't want yo buy the house. I can see that she wouldn't want to be involved in it. She would have had an asset but would have no control when she could get her money back.

Your Mother does seem to be acting very unreasonably in lending (giving?) your sister money and not you. Did your stepdad 'earn' his money before he met your Mum? We're you an adult when they met? If so, I can, sort off see where he is coming from especially as they can't gave much spare if they now can't afford a house.

So YABU and YANBU