Is this legal? Re Advertising a job, but only for male applicants? No women allowed?

[Confuddledmuchly]

Trial job vacancy for male youth/student .. suit age 15 to 18 Ad - hoc Sundays .. Must live XXX (surround 2 miles) Male.. must be outgoing, friendly, fit and willing.. Exempt from sex descrimination act due to lifting role Please apply via mail to XXX ([email protected]) Stating age, hobbies, address and contact number ( no mums applying please for their sons ) Great learning opportunity for the right applicant. Thankyou We will send you details on email. . Please request job spec in subject line, thanks..

And yes they spelt 'discrimination' incorrectly in the Ad.

I care because I am perfectly capable of lifting things and am just as entitled to apply for such a job as a male

Jobs, except those that are genuinely exempt such as personal care, should be given to those with the skills to do it. I have several female friends who are very strong and work in very physical jobs. They would have no issue doing this. If there are women not capable of doing this job, of course they shouldn't be given it. But that should be on capability, not sex.

more fool you women for wanting heavy lifting jobs , i take it all of you moaning that you cant apply have never had a job like that , you would not last more than a week .

Hi Andy following :)

Love the idea that the average 15-18 year old boy could out-lift the average adult woman who'd be prepared to apply for that job (presumably any women fitting the stereotype of 'can only just lift my mobile into my bag' wouldn't be going for the job anyway)!! Even without the terrible discrimination you'd have to be pretty short sighted to put that job ad up.

I temped for a landscaping company in my younger days and they were short of hands one week so I helped with a LOT of heavy lifting - boxes of tiles, concrete ornaments etc (probably broke about 50 H&S rules as I wasn't trained at all but didn't know about all that then!). I was surrounded by plenty of well muscled young men (oh the good old days!) and absolutely expected, as I wasn't even that fit, to be dying by the time they got warmed up but I did 8 hour shifts and each time at least two of them would be sat down moaning about being knackered before I needed a breather! As others have said, hefting a growing toddler around is all the practice I needed. The boss said he'd have happily given me a job with them if I wanted one (but I was halfway through uni so didn't).

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Following do you quite realise what you are saying? Do you think there are NO women in jobs like the one advertised?

at idiot following

you should make it clear what andy there have been a few , glad your happy silly :)

I'd be tempted to tweet it to the @EverydaySexism project

Ladies, Andy was clearly recruiting people to do highly specialised job. You need to fast-forward to the last 30 seconds.

FFS Following, 15kg isn't heavy lifting! Its the weight of a medium sized toddler, which most women with children are more than used to lifting on a daily ongoing basis.

And no I don't think Following is Andy, Jim Davidson perhaps...

When I was 19 I had a summer job in a hotel and found out that due to staff shortages I'd been seconded to be porters for a month. I didn't want to do it and complained like mad to the management that I wouldn't be capable of carrying cases, moving beds or setting up tressle tables for banquets and conferences because I was a girl. The management told me not to be so bloody stupid and to shut up and get on with it. And, they were right. I was more than capable.

(And also got more tips )

At least they didn't require him to be "bubbly" -a common must for all women in the eighties job market.

poor Following - he must be quiet weak and feeble if he thinks 15kg is heavy - bless him

hahahahahaha... nice one, Mr. Andy, Sir. As part of my work, I regularly heft 50kg bags around, and I'm a wee slip of girl. 15kg is merely two and a half of my cats, and they ride around on my shoulders a lot too.

But a table... must be tough.

ahh jim is great , thanks for the compliment :)

Are you going to answer my perfectly reasonable question? Or just continue posturing?

The writing style of following is definitely the same as Andys

following

I have worked in a refrigerated warehouse picking with plenty men and women who all did heavy lifting all day, every day, 12 hour shifts. There were over 200 in the place and each persons pick rate was displayed for the previous week, every week.

I worked faster, more accurately and picked more than others. Every single week I was in the top 3.

Take your patronising tone elsewhere.

It depends what they're lifting. If the lifting refers to a person who requires personal care and part of that is lifting then they're correct, the advertisement is exempt from the SDA.

If it means lifting something heavy and they're assuming women won't be able to, then it is discriminatory.

Whichever category it falls into it is a poorly worded advert, designed to cause confusion!

Ladies,it's a well known fact that having a fanjo prevents you from doing anything too strenuous, like honking around hulking great toddlers, pushchairs, bags of shopping, furniture. And obviously a teenage boy is much stronger than a full grown woman. who can't fill in an application form

If it's just one person looking to employ someone and they want a man then I'd rather the advert said so as it's a waste of time women applying as they aren't going to get the job even if the advert is gender neutral.
Same re age, if people want someone of a particular age then they just have to wait until they have the applications to sift out those they don't want rather than get fewer applicants.
I think large companies should have to apply be antidiscrimiation laws but trying to make smaller ones do so just wastes alot of peoples time as they'll probably just give the job to the type of person they wanted but couldn't specify.