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For thinking my sister was too haste in cutting off family members after a racist remark?

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dolphinlover · 24/01/2014 22:26

I'm an American who is married to an Englishman. We live in England. My sister back home is engaged to an African-American man. Several days before (back home) there was a family gathering (my sister and her fiance attended). A football game was on and after the game, during an interview a black player went on a rant against another player he had been in conflict with throughout the game. Our uncle then said, "typical n-words" in response to the interview. My sister's fiance was in the bathroom at the time and my uncle thought my sister was in the kitchen with the other girls but she was in the doorway and she heard loud and clear. Immediately after she heard that, she left with her fiance.

I know, the remark was very, very disgusting. My uncle comes from my father's side (brothers). My father's side are much more conservative than my mother's side. A few members from my dad's side were uncomfortable when she first started dating her fiance. But we sat down as a family and talked it out.

There's quite a bit of conflict in the family in the aftermath. My sister had a huge argument with our cousins (our uncle's children). They said he didn't mean it in the way he did. Which I don't really believe. How can you say that word and not mean what you intended? The intention was there.

But I think my sister has been too haste. She's basically cut that part of the family off and says she never wants anything to do with them. I come from a large family that is close for the most part. I just think it would be better for her to calm down (she's still furious - understandably so) and then make a definite conclusion.

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ImagineJL · 24/01/2014 22:42

Is this a wind-up? Do people in modern civilised societies really have to sit down as a family to discuss and come to terms with a relative dating someone with different colour skin?

I'm impressed with your sister that she has the courage of her convictions, and is prepared to banish such vile behaviour from her life, even if it costs her relationships she valued.

You should support her, not complain about her.

Kewcumber · 24/01/2014 22:42

How long should she suck it up for the sake of family harmony (some family!) - until her children overhear something similar. Or will tehy be expected to suck it up to smooth things over too?

How much time does it take to come to the definite conclusion that they are racists?

Iwannalaylikethisforever · 24/01/2014 22:43

To think you actually had to sit down as a family to discuss the ethnicity of your sister bf is just ridiculous and stinks of racism anyway.

YouTheCat · 24/01/2014 22:44

I can understand your sister not wanting her and her fiancé around that kind of crap.

SuburbanRhonda · 24/01/2014 22:44

Not hasty enough, IMO.

WeddingComingUp · 24/01/2014 22:44

If she wants to cut the Uncle off I can understand why. But why 'the whole part of the family'? They're not responsible for wjat he saiid.

Sadoldbag · 24/01/2014 22:46

Add message | Report | Message poster ImagineJL Fri 24-Jan-14 22:42:37

sadly no my mil asked my oh "when he was planing to stop messing around with an ethnic and find a nice girl to marry Shock

It's alive and kicking more hurtful when you know those in your own family hate you

Kewcumber · 24/01/2014 22:46

I should really have had a family discussion to get my family over the trauma of me adopting a child of a different race. Oh wait, no I shouldn't, I should have expected them to keep their lips buttoned if they had any racists opinions about it or risk alienating me from the family.

Their actions, their responsibility.

And what kind of dimwits make racist remarks like that openly in front of people who obviously don't agree with them - the kind who don;t much care what others think.

She's well shot of them.

Sadoldbag · 24/01/2014 22:47

Wedding but they are. Trying to defend him no less trying to blame them for making a big fuss

Not on

LuciusMalfoyisSmokingHot · 24/01/2014 22:47

I'd be pissed off too, your uncle is a prick and he should have been pulled up on it, instead of that, the reaction is to think your Dsis is overacting, if that was me, your uncle would have been on the end of some very colourful words.

Kewcumber · 24/01/2014 22:48

But why 'the whole part of the family'?

I think they defended him and said he didn't really mean it (honest guv) Hmm

No doubt he has friends who are black or maybe a bit beige at least...

ouryve · 24/01/2014 22:50

He wouldn't have said if if he didn't mean it. I don't blame her.

Kewcumber · 24/01/2014 22:50

To be fair my mum was uncomfortable once that I dated an estate agent though it never required a family pow-wow.

Supercosy · 24/01/2014 22:51

What on earth do you expect is going to change if your sister goes away and calms down? Why should she? You should be outraged on her behalf. Stop enabing this horrible racist behaviour.

nailslikeknives · 24/01/2014 22:51

Hey Dolphin, please come back to tell us you will openly support your sister and her man?

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine · 24/01/2014 22:53

How long was there from the point where you actually had to sit down as a family and "talk out" the fact that your sister was dating an African American" to the point where your uncle used the n-word disparagingly in casual conversation? How does that fit with your idea that your sister is being hasty? How many chances is she supposed to give the "conservative" (Hmm) side of the family? How many more times is she supposed to put her fiance in that environment?

dolphinlover · 24/01/2014 22:55

Well, he tried to apologise but my sister wouldn't speak to him. To the poster who said I'm not on her side - I am. I just think she would be better suited responding to the situation when she has cooled down. I'm entirely on her side.

To JeanSerberg:

Yes I was there. Like I said my father's side of the family are quite the conservatives (think Bible orientated Republicans). They basically wanted to know more about him. They weren't overtly racial about it, but the pretext was there that their "enquiry" was on racial foundations. After all, my sister had only dated white guys previously and they didn't really show much interest until she dated a black person.

To another person who said why is she blaming our cousins . . . well they are the ones saying "he didn't mean it."

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zzzzz · 24/01/2014 22:56

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MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2014 22:57

So, he said it while the finance was in the loo and the sister was supposed to be in the kitchen 'with the girls' (sigh, eye-roll)? He obviously assumed that there would be no comeback to him from everyone else who could hear it in the room. Everyone just thinks the n word is peachy then and he knows it.

My current partner is white and I would have walked out of that family party. That kind of attitude hurts EVERYONE and good for her taking a stand.

MyPrettyToes · 24/01/2014 22:57

A few members from my dad's side were uncomfortable when she first started dating her fiance. But we sat down as a family and talked it out.

he's basically cut that part of the family off and says she never wants anything to do with them.

Bravo your sister. Youe family has problems. None of them are anything to do with her or her fiance. She has principles and she stands by them. She sounds awesome.

OP you are insulting her intelligence and patronising her by telling her to calm down. Stop it. She has every right to cut the lot of them off. You sound weak and not very clued up.

WooWooOwl · 24/01/2014 22:57

If she's getting married, her loyalty is to her fiancé ahead of her extended family.

I'd hope that my husband would take a strong stand against his wider family of they ever said anything that offensive towards me, as I would for him.

Your sister can deal with it however she wants. Maybe this is just the thing that tipped her over the edge and she was already finding their attitude difficult to deal with.

CailinDana · 24/01/2014 22:58

A few members of your dad's family were "uncomfortable" about your sister dating someone who has dark skin? Seriously? Why? What the actual fuck does it have to do with them? Christ if my family said they weren't "comfortable" about my fiance I'd just think they'd lost their tiny minds! I certainly wouldn't talk to them about it. The fact your poor sister had to humiliate herself like that makes me really sad for her. She seems like a strong woman though, good on her for finally standing up to those bullying racist arseholes.
Did you have to justify your choice of husband to them too?

ouryve · 24/01/2014 23:00

my father's side of the family are quite the conservatives (think Bible orientated Republicans). They basically wanted to know more about him. They weren't overtly racial about it, but the pretext was there that their "enquiry" was on racial foundations. After all, my sister had only dated white guys previously and they didn't really show much interest until she dated a black person.

IOW, they're out and out bigots who will never change their spots. Why the hell would she want to stay close to these people? I'd struggle with relatives like that and my DH is a pasty ginger.

RandyRudolf · 24/01/2014 23:03

If I was your sister I would have left the day of the comment but I wouldn't have cut him off until I'd sat down with and make him explain to me exactly why he thinks the way he does. I can't just walk away from stuff like this, I have to challenge it and argue it out with people.

dolphinlover · 24/01/2014 23:08

Calin- no I didn't have to justify my choice of husband to them. Incidentally my DH thinks my sister should just tell them all to "go f**k themselves."

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