to think this teacher is a bit of a cowbag?

[SaintLauren]

My DD is 5 is they started to learn how to sing "Alouette" in school. My DH is french and does not like this song because of what it's about and my DD can understand the song too.

Today she told her teacher that her dad doesn't like her singing that song because of what it means.

And the teacher replied that - yes that was absolutely fine, do you like the song Ring Around The Rosie.

My DD said yes she loved that song and the teacher replied that it's a song about people dying from the plague.

Aibu to think this makes her a cowbag?

Why should she have to do it? Because she is at school and kids have to do what they're told. You don't get to consciencly object over songs about plucking birds. The song is not offensive, rude, racist , sexist etc etc. You have no grounds on which to object to it just because your husband doesn't like it. Your kid presumably didn't mind it until he said something so she hasn't exactly made up her own mind. Your husband made her mind up for her and now it's the teachers fault. You have no idea how she said what she allegedly said.

Your husband made her mind up for her and now it's the teachers fault. You have no idea how she said what she allegedly said

Exactly. You have no idea how your daughter spoke or what the teacher's tone was in response.

As for "a bit of a cowbag" and "you sound tapped" - I don't think you sound over pleasant, quite frankly.

Sorry I thought earlier you said you wouldn't make her listen to a story she didn't like either and I had presumed you meant at school. I'll stop with my obvious comments.

Bloody hell, when I was training to teach French I was given experience teaching a group of 5 year olds at the first school up the road. My (French) mentor came with me and planned a lesson based on teaching them to sing 'Alouette'. She has two children and had taught them that song at a young age. It really isn't anything to get your knickers in a twist about. Half the fun of childhood is gruesome songs/fairy tales for goodness sake! Teachers can't breathe without somebody saying they're not doing it correctly nowadays, jeeze! And whoever said she was 'being insensitive to cultural differences', well, that made me giggle.

Could you not just persuade your DH to bloody lighten up and not upset your daughter about a song she was otherwise ok about? So what is she going to do in the lesson now? Ask to leave the room when it is being sung? Or do you expect the teacher to change the lesson plan for the whole class when a simple 'Oh it's just a daft old song, lots of nursery rhymes have yucky words' would have done the trick?

Maybe I am precious, but I also think childhood is precious and it's the only time in your life where you don't know what a horrible and cruel world we exist in

i dont agree,for example my son attends a 14 plus pre GCSE course at the local college, and one or two of his classmates have been home edded and one in particular has been sheltered from anything nasty or upsetting for her whole life,(not that I am suggesting you do this with your dd but taking things to their logical conclusion, y know)

as a result this girl is totally naive and extremely vulnerable and is lucky that her classmates see that and jump in to protect her when necessary!
for example predatory types asking for her phone number etc which she willingly gives out because she cannot recognise a predator.

She only doesn't like it because your dh ruined it for her.

HTH

Maybe try and control what your dh ruins for your child next? Will he be the one to deconstruct the pied piper for her? After all, his quest for educating his child into his point of view is unending, right?

And as long as it's your dh, and not the teacher, then it's okay to open a small kid's eyes to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the bloody, unvarnished, raped, torn apart truth?

Your dh is more culpable than the teacher in this.

I don't see you calling him a cow bag? You seem to be intent on upholding his actions as laudable?

Have you read the lyrics in English?

Her DD speaks French so there isn't much eye opening going on, well apart from the teacher.

Could you not just persuade your DH to bloody lighten up and not upset your daughter about a song she was otherwise ok about? So what is she going to do in the lesson now? Ask to leave the room when it is being sung? Or do you expect the teacher to change the lesson plan for the whole class when a simple 'Oh it's just a daft old song, lots of nursery rhymes have yucky words' would have done the trick?

I have never once said she was ok with it - never. Because she wasn't. If she was me and my DH would have never said a single thing about it to her.

I have also repeatedly said that it was not a lesson, it's a 5 minute activity that they change each week. So hardly a full on lesson plan to sing one song.

I'm pretty sure anyone with half a brain cell could manage to come up with a different nursery rhyme.

I feel like I'm doing nothing but repeating myself for the people that can't be bothered to read the thread.

Usually when I comment on a thread if it's too long to read the entire thing then I will make sure I at least read what the OP says - charging into a conversation repeating things that have been asked and answered just makes you look foolish.

Can I also add to this:
Jack and the Beanstalk - Jack disobeys his mother and does not sell the cow at the market. instead he sells them for beans (his intention may have been honourable).
He then proceeds to climb a beanstalk, break and enter someone else's house (depending on the verison you read), steals from the giant (again, depending on the version you read) and then kills the giant at the end because the giant wanted what was 'rightfully' his!
Goldilocks and the Three Bears - breaking and entering.

Looks like KS1 teaching is going to be pretty boring considering the objection 'some' parents have to 'inappropriate' songs and stories being taught.

Seriously OP, get over yourself. It IS just a song, as are many of the nursery rhymes today. Children REALLY don't listen to or think about the lyrics. it's all about the joining in and the rhythm. I honestly believe your daughter doesn't like it because your DH imposed his opinions and feelings onto her.

If the OP had posted "AIBU to think that the teacher handled this badly" then she would have got different responses

I agree. Even though we don't know whether the daughter was polite in raising the matter asking if the teacher was "a bit of a cowbag" seems totally unnecessary to me.

Mad what is wrong with you seriously? You seem to feel like you have insider knowledge about this. Your two comments on here are making you sound deranged and not right in the head.

I'd like you to quote exactly where I said my DD liked the song? Oh yeah that's right I never said that.

She came home and said to my DH she learnt a French song today so my DH asked her to sing it for him, she said she didn't want to because she didn't like it. She told him the name of the song and he agreed that he didn't like that song either.

Hardly the evil man you're painstakingly continually trying to paint him out to be.

You sound pretty fucked up, who gets that angry or worked up over a post in AIBU? Your reaction is creepy and you are unhinged.

Seriously OP, get over yourself.

How many times do I have to say this. If she liked it then I wouldn't object in the slightest, it would be an absolute non issue.

Children REALLY don't listen to or think about the lyrics. it's all about the joining in and the rhythm.

Except she did.

I honestly believe your daughter doesn't like it because your DH imposed his opinions and feelings onto her.

Oh right yes I forgot you were sat there throughout their conversation and could see that my DH twisted her thoughts into disliking a song because he's a shit father and loves upsetting his daughter.

Or he just agreed that he didn't like that song very much too. I didn't realise agreeing with your child was a form of crap parenting.

You sound even more delightful than you did last night OP.

I've read every post and have still come to the same conclusion FYI. The same conclusion most posters have come to. Mountain out of a frickin mole hill!

I have plucked and prepared birds for eating. And rabbits. And fish.

Nothing cruel about it: they were dead and felt nothing. So I'm not quite sure what is the objection to these lyrics, unless there really is some hidden meaning there.

Quite the most nauseating nursery rhyme I ever heard is "All the Pretty Little Horses". It has such a beautiful tune but the now rarely sung 2nd verse is as hideously graphic as you could wish for - far worse than this.
It horrifies me that it was originally a lullaby sung to a young child.

So do you Chipped

It really isn't anything to get your knickers in a twist about

Maybe take your own advice love

I agree that the teacher did not respond very sensitively or appropriately to your dd. But I suppose we all have our bad days/moments. So not necessarily a complete cowbag but could be HTH

Today she told her teacher that her dad doesn't like her singing that song because of what it means

So she didn't express her own opinion? She told the teacher her father didn't like it?

She came home and said to my DH she learnt a French song today so my DH asked her to sing it for him, she said she didn't want to because she didn't like it. She told him the name of the song and he agreed that he didn't like that song either

In fact that differs substantially from your account in the OP that your daughter gave to the teacher.

Anyway I'm hiding this thread now, not because I'm "flouncing" but because it's run its course as far as I can see.

I'm not complaining to anyone and they will be singing a different song next week. Some people agree with me and some don't. There's nothing else to add really and I'm just constantly repeating myself now.

I appreciate 90% of the comments and can see that I am being slightly unreasonable and I definitely shouldn't have used the term "cowbag". I just draw the line at comments that are getting too personal because it takes things to far.

AIBU is a great place for getting perspective but there will always be some thirsty for blood and happily rip people to pieces behind their computer screen. I refuse to give people like this the reactive they so desperately crave.

Feel free to continue to comment if you like but like I said it's hidden from me now so it's probably pointless - but it's your choice.

Thanks again for giving me some perspective on the situation.

But it still could have been her opinion first, Dad just agreed with her, and the dd chose to tell her teacher her Dad's views, perhaps because she thought they might carry more weight with the teacher?

"Slightly unreasonable"

Understatement of the year.

Dad just agreed with her, and the dd chose to tell her teacher her Dad's views, perhaps because she thought they might carry more weight with the teacher?

Exactly Juggling absolutely correct.

(Anyways I'm off now, everyone enjoy the rest of your weekend)