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AIBU?

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to resist adding my child's father's name onto his birth certificate?

203 replies

stickystick · 24/01/2014 18:00

Was with his father on and off for a year. To my huge shock I got pregnant at the age of 39 (!) despite using contraception and not having any desire for a baby. Decided after a lot of angst and indecision that I couldn't go through with an abortion and instead to continue the pregnancy. The father (to put it mildly) disagreed vehemently with this decision. He is financially comfortable but already has three teenage kids and an alcoholic ex-wife and was worried about the disruptive effect of another child on them. He tried very very hard to get me to have an termination, including promising me a " life of misery" if I didn't. Our relationship ended immediately, needless to say. He was very aggressive and unsupportive during the pregnancy (he was still going on about terminations when I was nearly six months along). We continued contact only to sort out what level of financial support he legally needed to contribute for his child, via the CSA and mediation with a family law barrister.
At one point, when he was being very hostile, I finally said, OK, you win. Let's agree that you don't have anything more to do with us once the baby is born - you don't have to see him, or even tell your family, and thus you can minimise the disruption to your life which you are so worried about. He didn't like that - he said that he didn't want anything to do with the baby now but he wanted to keep his options open just in case things changed in the future.

Needless to say, he didn't want to be there when the baby was born. Refused to let him have his surname (I had suggested the baby had both our names) because he said he had an unusual name and didn't want people knowing it was his son. Wouldn't come to his christening, and asked his own mother to turn down her invitation too. When our son was diagnosed with a serious condition and had to have brain surgery twice in his first six months of life, his father wouldn't come to any of his appointments or operations. Didn't see him at Christmas and has arranged to be elsewhere for his first birthday.

Despite all this though, I've continued to extend an olive branch. Since our son was born, I've regularly sent his father photos and kept him informed about his medical issues. He never rings to ask how his son is, or asks to see him, but every few weeks I offer him the opportunity to see him anyway (very low key), and about half the time he says yes. When he does see him now, usually for a couple of hours every three weeks, he is actually quite affectionate with him. His older sons have now met the baby twice, and his daughter a few times more. It is not the disruptive disaster that he forecast, partly because he was massively over dramatising, but also because the baby lives with me and he doesn't have to do any childcare or any organising of medical stuff or nursery.

The problem between us right now is about the baby's birth certificate. At the time he was registered, his father said he wanted to be named on the certificate because his lawyer had told him there was "no legal downside" - he still had financial responsibilities whether he was on it or not, but being on it would give him a say if he wanted one down the road. I was not very impressed with this reason at the time, not least because at the same time he also mentioned he didn't want the baby to have his surname on the birth certificate because he didn't want anyone to know it was his son (!) I also felt that if he wanted parental rights and responsibilities such as making joint decisions about his medical care, he actually needed to turn up to some scans and appointments. So I went ahead and registered him and left the father's name blank - although he registrar assured me that the father's name could be added very easily at any point in the future, if we both agreed.

I thought that my baby's father had forgotten about this, but a couple of months ago in our last mediation session, he unexpectedly added it to the agenda at the last moment. He said he wanted to be on his birth certificate and he wanted to know when I would add him on. The mediator asked me if I would be willing to do this. I said no, because I felt his reason wasn't good enough. My baby's father said he had better reasons now. The mediator asked what they were, and he replied that a) he didn't think it was very nice for our child to see that he had no named father on his birth certificate when he came to apply for a driving licence or passport. And b) he said that as he was paying £X in child support, it was his right to be on the birth certificate [legally this is not the case: in fact financial support and parental rights and responsibilities are usually strictly separated].

I said I still didn't think this was good enough. He thinks I am being unreasonable. Am I?

OP posts:
BadChat25 · 24/01/2014 18:05

He sounds like he was an assessment however I'm intrigued as to why you don't want him named?

He has a relationship with DC and contributes so why is it you don't want him on?

BadChat25 · 24/01/2014 18:06

Ass not assessment

frenchfancy · 24/01/2014 18:10

YABU a birth certificate is to my mind an official register of the child's origins. You know who the father is, he wants to be on the certificate. You may not like it but he is the biological father of your child, no matter how much you fight against it.

flyingspaghettimonster · 24/01/2014 18:15

Yanbu. When he mans up and takes full parental responsibility including actually including his son in his family celebrations and everyday life, pays more than enforced financial contribution and actually shows pride and love for his child, then he can earn a place on the birth cert.

Imnotmadeofeyes · 24/01/2014 18:18

I think yabu.

This is your sons document, not yours or his dads. You're seemingly not heading in the direction of with holding his fathers identity so your reasoning isn't that strong.

Fwiw I do get why you feel the way you do, I just think you've focused it on the wrong issue.

EirikurNoromaour · 24/01/2014 18:21

YABU. It's not about his reasons, it's about your son. He has the right to have both his parents on his birth certificate. I am shocked you can't see that.

MissPryde · 24/01/2014 18:21

Yanbu.

My only concern while reading was the financial aspect, but it does not appear that is a factor in your system. In the US it can be a barrier to child support if the father isn't named, but it sounds like that isn't the case.

It doesn't sound like he deserves to be on the certificate, especially as he didn't want to in the first place. I'd actually be quite suspect of his motives if he's having a sudden change of heart, especially with such vague reasons.

Humpyrumpy · 24/01/2014 18:23

Sticky, what do you think your DS might think when he gets to 18?

I don't actually think this one is about you or XP BU. It is more important to consider the feelings of your DS

splasheeny · 24/01/2014 18:25

I totally understand your hurt, but it does sound like he is trying to be a father now. He is supporting this child financially and seeing them regularly, so I believe it is only right he is named on the birth certificate.

I don't think it is very nice as an adult/young person to see 'unknown' in place of the father in the birth certificate too.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 18:25

YANBU being unreasonable. There was a similar thread a few weeks ago. Be prepared for exactly the same responses from the same posters, including those saying your child will be traumatised and shamed by the stigma of not having the father's name on the certificate (apparently the Passport Office and DVLA have time to be judgemental about what's on your birth certificate)

As for knowing who his father is, well you'll tell him and it's up to the father to act and behave like a father.

WaffilyVersatile · 24/01/2014 18:26

I would not put him on the certificate. Life will be a million times easier if you are the only one with parental responsibility!!

hippo123 · 24/01/2014 18:26

I wouldn't put him on it. Doesn't that mean he can stop you taking him out of the country, you'll need his 'permission' for medical stuff etc. why would you want the man who wanted your child aborted at almost 6 months on it? Although I'm struggling to work out why you would want such a man in either yours or your ds's life at all to be honest.

SuperScrimper · 24/01/2014 18:27

Yabu. It's a document of fact. You want him to pay but deny him the right to have his name on the certificate.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 18:28

Oh for god's sake. It does not say "unknown"
In Scotland it is blank and in England, according to someone in this position it says "father not present"

SuperScrimper · 24/01/2014 18:28

Hippo, I think the answer to that is ££.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 18:30

OP said it was blank.

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 18:36

Well fuck me sideways with a rusty pitchfork,I've actually found a leave him off the bc thread I don't agree with.

Yabu.

He's not abusive he's involved and he wants to be on it,he's made no threats to misuse pr and you have no belief he will.

Whist yes at the mo it's totally your choice,I don't think you have made the correct one.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 18:37

Superscrimper you really are charming. The responsibility to contribute towards the costs of raising the child you helped create exists as a legal obligation from day 1 and always has.

It has nothing to do about whether the name is on the certificate and nor should it.

OP, from the previous thread on this subject Superscrimper was one of the posters who think your child will be eternally shamed by this. He won't.

WaffilyVersatile · 24/01/2014 18:37

Just to add to my previous post. I wouldn't put him on the birth certificate BUT I also wouldn't accept a penny from him either.

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 18:39

caitlin

Admit it the apparent horror was damn funny

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 18:41

If he wanted to go and claim PR, he could anyway, I believe - so what do you gain by saying no?

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 18:44

Just a quick note about PR

things day to day either parent with it can make decisions without the others permission if the other parent disagrees its down to them to take you to court to stop you. They cannot actually stop you unless they have a court order.

One of the very few exceptions to this is international travel (if you don't have a residency order)

You are not even required to tell the other parent anything or give them any info,it just means they have the right to obtain it directly and they can also act without your consent.

splasheeny · 24/01/2014 18:45

Caitlin I stand corrected but the sentiment is still the same, I think children deserve to have a true representation of fact on their birth certificate.

theQuibbler · 24/01/2014 18:46

He seems unreliable, capricious, heartless, (he couldn't show up to support his seriously ill son?) and with the capacity to be vindictive. I would not be opening the door to giving him any legal rights at all. YANBU.

PenelopePipPop · 24/01/2014 18:50

Reason a is a good reason - between here and adulthood who knows what will happen. But the birth certificate will endure, or your son can obtain abother and it will reflect who his legal parents are and that is important knowledge for him.

Reason b is a selfish reason. He should not be thinking in terms of rights in relation to his son. And neither should you.

If he is registered as the father then a whole bunch of responsibilities come with that and you need to know he will exercise them conscientiously - will he work with you to make decisions about your son's medical care in his best interests? If you want to move abroad will he prioritise your son's interests in the matter (and will you) or will he be obstructive because he is angry.

If you are already attending mediation these are the issues I'd be addressing - how adding his name to the birth certificate affects how he sees his responsibilities towards his son and his duty to work with you.

BUT you should be open to agreeing if the mediation works well. He is supporting your son. Contact with the other siblings has not been a disaster. He behaved like a shit to you during your pregnancy obviously and there is no reason why you should like him or forgive him but your son is here now and if you can salvage a good father/son relationship from the wreckage of that then you have achieved something excellent and maybe naming him on the birth certificate is part of that.