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to resist adding my child's father's name onto his birth certificate?

203 replies

stickystick · 24/01/2014 18:00

Was with his father on and off for a year. To my huge shock I got pregnant at the age of 39 (!) despite using contraception and not having any desire for a baby. Decided after a lot of angst and indecision that I couldn't go through with an abortion and instead to continue the pregnancy. The father (to put it mildly) disagreed vehemently with this decision. He is financially comfortable but already has three teenage kids and an alcoholic ex-wife and was worried about the disruptive effect of another child on them. He tried very very hard to get me to have an termination, including promising me a " life of misery" if I didn't. Our relationship ended immediately, needless to say. He was very aggressive and unsupportive during the pregnancy (he was still going on about terminations when I was nearly six months along). We continued contact only to sort out what level of financial support he legally needed to contribute for his child, via the CSA and mediation with a family law barrister.
At one point, when he was being very hostile, I finally said, OK, you win. Let's agree that you don't have anything more to do with us once the baby is born - you don't have to see him, or even tell your family, and thus you can minimise the disruption to your life which you are so worried about. He didn't like that - he said that he didn't want anything to do with the baby now but he wanted to keep his options open just in case things changed in the future.

Needless to say, he didn't want to be there when the baby was born. Refused to let him have his surname (I had suggested the baby had both our names) because he said he had an unusual name and didn't want people knowing it was his son. Wouldn't come to his christening, and asked his own mother to turn down her invitation too. When our son was diagnosed with a serious condition and had to have brain surgery twice in his first six months of life, his father wouldn't come to any of his appointments or operations. Didn't see him at Christmas and has arranged to be elsewhere for his first birthday.

Despite all this though, I've continued to extend an olive branch. Since our son was born, I've regularly sent his father photos and kept him informed about his medical issues. He never rings to ask how his son is, or asks to see him, but every few weeks I offer him the opportunity to see him anyway (very low key), and about half the time he says yes. When he does see him now, usually for a couple of hours every three weeks, he is actually quite affectionate with him. His older sons have now met the baby twice, and his daughter a few times more. It is not the disruptive disaster that he forecast, partly because he was massively over dramatising, but also because the baby lives with me and he doesn't have to do any childcare or any organising of medical stuff or nursery.

The problem between us right now is about the baby's birth certificate. At the time he was registered, his father said he wanted to be named on the certificate because his lawyer had told him there was "no legal downside" - he still had financial responsibilities whether he was on it or not, but being on it would give him a say if he wanted one down the road. I was not very impressed with this reason at the time, not least because at the same time he also mentioned he didn't want the baby to have his surname on the birth certificate because he didn't want anyone to know it was his son (!) I also felt that if he wanted parental rights and responsibilities such as making joint decisions about his medical care, he actually needed to turn up to some scans and appointments. So I went ahead and registered him and left the father's name blank - although he registrar assured me that the father's name could be added very easily at any point in the future, if we both agreed.

I thought that my baby's father had forgotten about this, but a couple of months ago in our last mediation session, he unexpectedly added it to the agenda at the last moment. He said he wanted to be on his birth certificate and he wanted to know when I would add him on. The mediator asked me if I would be willing to do this. I said no, because I felt his reason wasn't good enough. My baby's father said he had better reasons now. The mediator asked what they were, and he replied that a) he didn't think it was very nice for our child to see that he had no named father on his birth certificate when he came to apply for a driving licence or passport. And b) he said that as he was paying £X in child support, it was his right to be on the birth certificate [legally this is not the case: in fact financial support and parental rights and responsibilities are usually strictly separated].

I said I still didn't think this was good enough. He thinks I am being unreasonable. Am I?

OP posts:
Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 21:56

superscrimper no I haven't got a "nerve" saying fathers are responsible from day one. That is the law and always has been (certainly in Scotland) The CSA merely sought to enforce it by the state machinery.

If any man isn't big enough to accept that he can keep it in his trousers permanently then he'll run no risk of being forced to be a father.

As for anyone who judges me by what is on my birth certificate as opposed to what I'm actually like-well why should I bother with such small mindedness.

revealall · 24/01/2014 21:58

YANNNNNNNNBU. It's 2104. The right to know who your father is comes from

a) who your mother tells you
b) from a DNA test if this is disputed (the CSA will provide one).

Much better proof of who the father than a bit of paper.

It was his choice not to put his name down and thereby accept responsibility. Perhaps you should wait and ask your child explaining what it involves.If they are the ones "upset/confused/embarrassed" they should have a say in the decision.
For the record mine knows who is father is despite never meeting him and has never even once asked about his birth certificate despite a school project on family trees etc.

OneUp · 24/01/2014 22:02

YADNBU - I wouldn't want him to have his name on the birth certificate either.

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 24/01/2014 22:07

He knows who the father is?Really?

I've never seen a birth certificate left blank,they say 'unknown'.Imagine what the child will think in the future!

It is wrong.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 22:13

Trip birth certificates in the UK do not say unknown. That is untrue.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 22:17

He knows because the father visits him and is referred To as his father!

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 22:21

We have no proof he is being abusive only the OP's side of the story which to be honest doesnt exactly paint her as a saint. Suspect she is looking for a way to cut him out so she can play happy famies with a little extra income

Not for any reason? Well what a sheltered life you have lived.

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 22:25

Birth certificates have not said unknown for bloody years.

Oh and obtaining PR via a court is not a total slam dunk it does have to be considered to be in the child's best interests

innisglas · 24/01/2014 22:25

I'm surprised at all the people defending the father. Forget about his desiring an abortion, lots of people have wanted an abortion and changed their minds, but where was he when the baby was really sick and going in for operations?
And yes, if he didn't want to have to play child support, why didn't he wear an condom or stay celibate?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 22:26

I didn't see my birth certificate until I needed it for some application or other in my late teens, I still knew who my dad was!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 22:27

Is that right, sock, what kind if things go against it?

Bogeyface · 24/01/2014 22:29

When I registered DS 23 years ago it was left blank. I wouldnt have left his biofathers name off if it was going to say "unknown"!

kilmuir · 24/01/2014 22:31

Its not really up to you, surely its whats right for your son. This man is his father thats why he should be on the certificate. Yes he may be an arse, but he is still his biological father

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 22:39

Sockreturningpixie- this father unkown crap really should be a stickie somewhere.

OddFodd · 24/01/2014 22:45

Absolutely Caitlin! Really gets on my tits.

I'd be happy to contribute a photo of DS's BC clearly demonstrating the BLANK bit of the form where the father's name is

OddFodd · 24/01/2014 22:46

or 'should be' even Blush

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 22:47

Is that right, sock, what kind if things go against it?

Degree of commitment to the child, degree of attachment and the fathers reasons for wanting it as well as it not being dangerous to the child are things that would be considered.

A shit dad that is actively involved but no risk could get it quite easily but a shit one who is not involved would find it much harder.

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 22:48

I agree Caitlin

MrsMook · 24/01/2014 22:49

I have a short birth certificate only with no reference to father. It's never been a problem or issue. I met my father in my 20s and have established a relationship with him. His absence from my birth certificate is inconsequential.

HellomynameisIcklePickle · 24/01/2014 22:55

You sound like an incredibly reasonable person, but on this, YABU

AmazingJumper · 24/01/2014 22:57

YANBU

tiggytape · 24/01/2014 23:01

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 23:28

sock, he's more a shit dad who is involved but not a risj, isn't he - seeing the DC every 3 weeks or so and introducing him to his half siblings (and paying maintenance though I know that's separate)

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 23:42

That's certainly what he sounds like.

Fwiw when it comes to PR paying maintenance for a child can be taken into consideration as its an example of commitment to the child,so doing so would help. Off the top of my head its the only thing where it can matter.

IneedAsockamnesty · 24/01/2014 23:45

I think the op would really benefit from having a chat with a free legal service just so she can work out in her own head how he could do it and his likelihood of success,that way she can pick her battles without risking looking like a arse for no reason.