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AIBU?

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to resist adding my child's father's name onto his birth certificate?

203 replies

stickystick · 24/01/2014 18:00

Was with his father on and off for a year. To my huge shock I got pregnant at the age of 39 (!) despite using contraception and not having any desire for a baby. Decided after a lot of angst and indecision that I couldn't go through with an abortion and instead to continue the pregnancy. The father (to put it mildly) disagreed vehemently with this decision. He is financially comfortable but already has three teenage kids and an alcoholic ex-wife and was worried about the disruptive effect of another child on them. He tried very very hard to get me to have an termination, including promising me a " life of misery" if I didn't. Our relationship ended immediately, needless to say. He was very aggressive and unsupportive during the pregnancy (he was still going on about terminations when I was nearly six months along). We continued contact only to sort out what level of financial support he legally needed to contribute for his child, via the CSA and mediation with a family law barrister.
At one point, when he was being very hostile, I finally said, OK, you win. Let's agree that you don't have anything more to do with us once the baby is born - you don't have to see him, or even tell your family, and thus you can minimise the disruption to your life which you are so worried about. He didn't like that - he said that he didn't want anything to do with the baby now but he wanted to keep his options open just in case things changed in the future.

Needless to say, he didn't want to be there when the baby was born. Refused to let him have his surname (I had suggested the baby had both our names) because he said he had an unusual name and didn't want people knowing it was his son. Wouldn't come to his christening, and asked his own mother to turn down her invitation too. When our son was diagnosed with a serious condition and had to have brain surgery twice in his first six months of life, his father wouldn't come to any of his appointments or operations. Didn't see him at Christmas and has arranged to be elsewhere for his first birthday.

Despite all this though, I've continued to extend an olive branch. Since our son was born, I've regularly sent his father photos and kept him informed about his medical issues. He never rings to ask how his son is, or asks to see him, but every few weeks I offer him the opportunity to see him anyway (very low key), and about half the time he says yes. When he does see him now, usually for a couple of hours every three weeks, he is actually quite affectionate with him. His older sons have now met the baby twice, and his daughter a few times more. It is not the disruptive disaster that he forecast, partly because he was massively over dramatising, but also because the baby lives with me and he doesn't have to do any childcare or any organising of medical stuff or nursery.

The problem between us right now is about the baby's birth certificate. At the time he was registered, his father said he wanted to be named on the certificate because his lawyer had told him there was "no legal downside" - he still had financial responsibilities whether he was on it or not, but being on it would give him a say if he wanted one down the road. I was not very impressed with this reason at the time, not least because at the same time he also mentioned he didn't want the baby to have his surname on the birth certificate because he didn't want anyone to know it was his son (!) I also felt that if he wanted parental rights and responsibilities such as making joint decisions about his medical care, he actually needed to turn up to some scans and appointments. So I went ahead and registered him and left the father's name blank - although he registrar assured me that the father's name could be added very easily at any point in the future, if we both agreed.

I thought that my baby's father had forgotten about this, but a couple of months ago in our last mediation session, he unexpectedly added it to the agenda at the last moment. He said he wanted to be on his birth certificate and he wanted to know when I would add him on. The mediator asked me if I would be willing to do this. I said no, because I felt his reason wasn't good enough. My baby's father said he had better reasons now. The mediator asked what they were, and he replied that a) he didn't think it was very nice for our child to see that he had no named father on his birth certificate when he came to apply for a driving licence or passport. And b) he said that as he was paying £X in child support, it was his right to be on the birth certificate [legally this is not the case: in fact financial support and parental rights and responsibilities are usually strictly separated].

I said I still didn't think this was good enough. He thinks I am being unreasonable. Am I?

OP posts:
HuntingforBunting · 24/01/2014 19:03

Op you are doing brilliantly in the circumstances. Good luck x

eurochick · 24/01/2014 19:08

I wouldn't want him to have parental responsibility as he seems to have no concept of the term "responsibility".

BadChat25 · 24/01/2014 19:11

Ok well without OP returning to the thread to give any logical reason to not want the father on the BC I would have to say YABU.

He may not have been the best Dad in the world but he is better than a hell of a lot of them, I can't see your reasoning to allow him to be in DCs life and to contribute financially and yet wont let him be on your sons official birth document Confused

BohemianGirl · 24/01/2014 19:12

It's all very well leaving blanks.

People have a need to know where they came from (if they didn't we wouldn't have the adoption rights to contact birth parents).... now you might think that's for the good of you and your child..... but it is important for subsequent generation to know their heritage.

pianodoodle · 24/01/2014 19:15

YANBU

I wouldn't trust him after the way he behaved.

Anomaly · 24/01/2014 19:22

If he's that bothered he can sort it. I wouldn't be doing this bloke any favours.

Hissy · 24/01/2014 19:24

I'd say get legal advice to see what adding his name would involve/affect wrt decisions etc.

If nothing, then it's for DS.

pixiestix · 24/01/2014 19:34

YANBU. It's got nothing to do with your sons feelings when he turns 18, or whether his dad sees him now and then. It's important that you don't have to ask this mans permission over medical procedures, schooling, travel abroad etc. why should he have a 50% say in any of these things?

Iwannalaylikethisforever · 24/01/2014 19:40

I don't think you are bu.
I wouldn't add his name at the moment, nothing related to pr but the fact that he behaved like a child ignoring your pregnancy and medical needs of dc.
It can be added later if you change your mind anyway.
It's early days to forgive considering he was so against you having dc in first place. Where emotions relating our dc are concerned it is very hard to consider somebody else if they have hurt us deeply.
Wanting a termination at 6 months is a big bitter pill to swallow.
Unless someone has been through this situation everyone is talking hypothetically anyway.

Follow your heart I say.

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 24/01/2014 19:41

He sounds despicable, and out to make sure that if there are any interests for HIMSELF, then he wants to cover the bases.

Perhaps tell him that you're willing to go ahead with the certificate change at the same time that you change your son's name to his too via deed poll (I can't help thinking that he's waited until over a year after registration of the birth to avoid there being any option to change the name on the cert too).

JabberJabberJay · 24/01/2014 19:48

YANBU

Your son will presumably know who his father is regardless of whether he is named on the birth certificate.

In the short term, it sounds as if your life will be much easier if he doesn't have parental responsibility.

Caitlin17 · 24/01/2014 19:49

splasheeny and Bohemian I do wonder if people who are not in possession of their entire genetic history would be less bothered if they were not being chivvied about it by people like you.
I really couldn't care less.

You're also overlooking OP has not given any indication she won't tell her child who the father is.

I can't tell how old you and superscrimper are but I have a mental picture of the 3 of you as living in the village I grew up in , all tutting about girls being "no better than they should be"

I didn't pay much attention.

ShitOnAStick · 24/01/2014 19:58

YANBU. Why would you want to give parental responsibility to someone who tried to make you abort the child and threatened a life of misery if you didn't? He clearly didn't want another child. He didn't give a shit about his sons surgeries and medical issues. He doesn't sound like someone who has his sons best interests at heart.

splasheeny · 24/01/2014 20:34

Caitlin talk about getting personal.

FYI you are completely wrong, I am in my 20s, grew up in London, and have been a single mother.

There is no chivvying, just saying that I believe children have a right to know, and have it properly documented, who their biological parents are.

prh47bridge · 24/01/2014 20:51

If you refuse to add him to the birth certificate he can apply to court for a declaration of paternity. If you admit he is the father or DNA testing shows that he is the court will issue the declaration and he will automatically be added to the birth certificate.

Similarly if he requested PR without going on the birth certificate and you refused he could apply to the courts who would almost certainly give him a PR order.

I can see why you don't want him to have PR but I'm afraid I don't see anything that would convince the courts.

I'm sure that isn't what you want to hear but it is the legal situation. Sorry.

SwirlingStorm · 24/01/2014 20:57

prh is right about the legal situation.

If I were you, I'd do nothing. If he wants to be on the certificate he can apply to the court to go on it.

If he's genuinely bothered, he'll do that. If not, you know where you stand!

innisglas · 24/01/2014 21:10

Well, my daughter was born in Mexico and I didn't trust the father so I didn't put him on her birth certificate. I have never once heard her say that that caused her any problems and I know that if I had put him on the birth certificate we would have had lots of problems as far as travel is concerned.

It is only a piece of paper, but a piece of paper that can cause all kinds of problems. The OP is giving this man his place as the father, as I did, not for herself but for the child, as every child deserves to know their father. Likewise any money he is paying is for the child's quality of life, which again the child needs.

peggyundercrackers · 24/01/2014 21:14

Yabu- i think you should put his name on for your sons sake. I also think it's wrong for any mother to stop the name of the father going on any BC. If a mother doesn't put a name on and a man comes forward saying he is the father and it can be proven to be true then it should be put on the Bc, a mother should not be able to block the change.

PinkPeanuts · 24/01/2014 21:21

YANBU. My child's fathers name is not on her birth certificate and it is the best decision I've ever made. He has not attempted her since she was 6 months old (now 22 months) and for me it is peice of mind that he cannot just rock up whenever he feels like it and start demanding a say in how she is raised- he opposed everything from her name to having her christened, didn't even believe in having her registered in the first place but that's a whole other thread Hmm.

I agree with swirling, if he's that serious about it! he'll apply the legal route. Best of luck with it all.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 21:31

Peggy, the mother can't block it if the father applies to court, as PRH says.

Lemonfairydust · 24/01/2014 21:36

I think after the way he has behaved you have acted very admirably OP. He sounds very sketchy and untrustworthy to me and this sudden insistence on being added to the birth certificate would raise red flags for me, personally. What are his intentions? He can create all sorts of problems for you further down the line (He certainly sounds the type)!

Given that he didn't want anyone to know the child was his in the first place and refused to share the same last name as the baby, I don't think the OP is being unreasonable by refusing his sudden 'change of heart'. See if he proves himself first.

SuperScrimper · 24/01/2014 21:39

Haha Caitlin I'm in my 20's in a capital city

Yes, from my experience of my Mother I think it would be embarrassing. The lengths she would go to to avoid using her Birth Certificate. For years she told me she had lost it when I had asked to see it for a school Project and later doing a family tree. Just because you think no one cares doesn't actually make it the case. When she finally told me the reason for hiding it she said it was because she felt anyone seeing it would make a judgement about her Mother.

I also think you've got a nerve telling anyone that its their responsibility to pay for a child from day one. So a man says he doesn't want a child, has no choice in the matter but must pay from day one for a child when he's not allowed to even have his name down as the parent Hmm I know it's responsibility not rights, but that is just ridiculous. The man here is clearly trying to be a better Father, sees his son and contributes towards him yet is denied even the most basic request to have his name as the Father down in law.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 21:40

The thing is, she might well be being very reasonable but ultimately he is entitled to be named on there and it's a question of whether it's worth this being a point of contention and forcing it to court. He doesn't have to do anything else to earn it or to prove himself, e just has to apply for it. It's not something withi the OP's power to prevent.

Anyway, it's being discussed in mediation which is probably the best place.

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 24/01/2014 21:44

YABVVVU every child should have their fathers name on the birth certificate.Every child has a right to know who their father is.Every child has the right to not be upset/confused/embarrassed by their birth certificate.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/01/2014 21:52

This child knows who his father is - honestly, that's not an issue here!