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to resist adding my child's father's name onto his birth certificate?

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stickystick · 24/01/2014 18:00

Was with his father on and off for a year. To my huge shock I got pregnant at the age of 39 (!) despite using contraception and not having any desire for a baby. Decided after a lot of angst and indecision that I couldn't go through with an abortion and instead to continue the pregnancy. The father (to put it mildly) disagreed vehemently with this decision. He is financially comfortable but already has three teenage kids and an alcoholic ex-wife and was worried about the disruptive effect of another child on them. He tried very very hard to get me to have an termination, including promising me a " life of misery" if I didn't. Our relationship ended immediately, needless to say. He was very aggressive and unsupportive during the pregnancy (he was still going on about terminations when I was nearly six months along). We continued contact only to sort out what level of financial support he legally needed to contribute for his child, via the CSA and mediation with a family law barrister.
At one point, when he was being very hostile, I finally said, OK, you win. Let's agree that you don't have anything more to do with us once the baby is born - you don't have to see him, or even tell your family, and thus you can minimise the disruption to your life which you are so worried about. He didn't like that - he said that he didn't want anything to do with the baby now but he wanted to keep his options open just in case things changed in the future.

Needless to say, he didn't want to be there when the baby was born. Refused to let him have his surname (I had suggested the baby had both our names) because he said he had an unusual name and didn't want people knowing it was his son. Wouldn't come to his christening, and asked his own mother to turn down her invitation too. When our son was diagnosed with a serious condition and had to have brain surgery twice in his first six months of life, his father wouldn't come to any of his appointments or operations. Didn't see him at Christmas and has arranged to be elsewhere for his first birthday.

Despite all this though, I've continued to extend an olive branch. Since our son was born, I've regularly sent his father photos and kept him informed about his medical issues. He never rings to ask how his son is, or asks to see him, but every few weeks I offer him the opportunity to see him anyway (very low key), and about half the time he says yes. When he does see him now, usually for a couple of hours every three weeks, he is actually quite affectionate with him. His older sons have now met the baby twice, and his daughter a few times more. It is not the disruptive disaster that he forecast, partly because he was massively over dramatising, but also because the baby lives with me and he doesn't have to do any childcare or any organising of medical stuff or nursery.

The problem between us right now is about the baby's birth certificate. At the time he was registered, his father said he wanted to be named on the certificate because his lawyer had told him there was "no legal downside" - he still had financial responsibilities whether he was on it or not, but being on it would give him a say if he wanted one down the road. I was not very impressed with this reason at the time, not least because at the same time he also mentioned he didn't want the baby to have his surname on the birth certificate because he didn't want anyone to know it was his son (!) I also felt that if he wanted parental rights and responsibilities such as making joint decisions about his medical care, he actually needed to turn up to some scans and appointments. So I went ahead and registered him and left the father's name blank - although he registrar assured me that the father's name could be added very easily at any point in the future, if we both agreed.

I thought that my baby's father had forgotten about this, but a couple of months ago in our last mediation session, he unexpectedly added it to the agenda at the last moment. He said he wanted to be on his birth certificate and he wanted to know when I would add him on. The mediator asked me if I would be willing to do this. I said no, because I felt his reason wasn't good enough. My baby's father said he had better reasons now. The mediator asked what they were, and he replied that a) he didn't think it was very nice for our child to see that he had no named father on his birth certificate when he came to apply for a driving licence or passport. And b) he said that as he was paying £X in child support, it was his right to be on the birth certificate [legally this is not the case: in fact financial support and parental rights and responsibilities are usually strictly separated].

I said I still didn't think this was good enough. He thinks I am being unreasonable. Am I?

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tiggytape · 25/01/2014 15:57

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 25/01/2014 16:10

I may be wrong, but I don't think OP has made any "actions" other than trying to do the right thing for her child.
If I can't put ds's dads name on the birth certificate, neither can she. Its up to the father to sort it out IF he chooses to.

InsanityandBeyond · 25/01/2014 16:10

You know those boasting saying that their children's birth certificates don't have their fathers on them and they are not bothered may find that their children ARE bothered as they get older especially when they have their own DCs. Taking feminism to a new extreme this thread Hmm.

Whether the father is an arse or not, you CHOSE to have a child with him. It is the child's fundamental right to know who it's father is and it should be on his/her official document of birth. The child can make it's own mind up about how to view their father when they are older.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 25/01/2014 16:11

"Taking feminism to a new extreme this thread"

Is that like "political correctness gorn mad?"

ha ha ha! Ace.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 25/01/2014 16:12

It's nothing to do with feminism. Was it feminist when Ed Milliband wasn't in his DC's cert for a few years? Nope, it's cos he didn't get round to it.

Rooners · 25/01/2014 16:13

Which is why, Tiggy, it's possibly best for the OP to take the line of least resistance and say to him, 'if you want to pursue it then do so'.

Then the ball is in his court, he doesn't feel it is a 'challenge' to be fought, and will probably not bother assuming he can do it any old time he wants to.

Rooners · 25/01/2014 16:15

When I CHOSE to have a child with him I didn't know about his 20 year history of assaulting women.

Rooners · 25/01/2014 16:16

Incidentally I'm not a feminist.

IneedAsockamnesty · 25/01/2014 16:26

Whether the father is an arse or not, you CHOSE to have a child with him. It is the child's fundamental right to know who it's father is and it should be on his/her official document of birth. The child can make it's own mind up about how to view their father when they are older

The powers that be should have considered this back in the early 2000's when they changed the rules regarding PR then shouldn't they, given that organisations like woman's aid did tell them.

Fwiw the last link to figures about unnamed fathers that was put up on here said it was only about 7% of all births that had none listed so its not an epidemic.

And not naming him and the child not knowing him are not one and the same thing, nobody but nobody has said "oh I know for shits and giggles don't bother telling the kid and exclude him" not one person.

Chunderella · 25/01/2014 16:31

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IfNotNowThenWhen · 25/01/2014 17:57

But why would you want to change your child's name to his fathers? Then you would have a different name from your child, and that could complicate things in the future.

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perplexedpirate · 25/01/2014 18:22

I don't have my father's name on my birth certificate.
I'm finding it hard to think of anything I care less about...

VelvetGecko · 25/01/2014 18:23

Insanity It is not possible to put an unmarried father's name on a child's birth certificate unless he chooses to attend the registration of the birth. It is HIS responsibility, the mother cannot just add him, it's not possible.
Just thought I'd clear that up.

perplexedpirate · 25/01/2014 18:23

That was in reply to the aptly named Insanity, btw.

HappySeven · 25/01/2014 18:35

I would add his name but look at it as doing it for your son not your ex. It is his birth certificate and not yours and I think it should have all the known information. In several hundred years when your descendants are 'doing' their family tree it would be nice to have it there.

But then I'm a traditionalist.

IfNotNowThenWhen · 25/01/2014 19:20

Nobody is taking that in Velvet.

SHE CAN'T ADD HIS NAME! HE HAS TO DO IT!

Sorry to shout, but really.

VelvetGecko · 25/01/2014 19:28

Thanks ifnotnow Wink.

Caitlin17 · 25/01/2014 19:36

There are quite a lot of ill-
informed posts on here about the rights and responsibilities of parents.
There's the nonsense about " unknown" on the certificate.
The nonsense that the mother can just add his name without his being there.
The nonsense that if his name isn't on the certificate he doesn't have to support the child.
The nonsense that as he didn't want to be a father he shouldn't have to support his child.
The nonsense that the child should/will feel shame about this.

MrsDeVere · 25/01/2014 20:32

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justmyview · 25/01/2014 20:47

OP says the birth certificate can be filled in with the baby's biological father's name or anyone else's name at a later date - eg a loving and supportive stepfather - that's not true, (unless you're planning to lie and pretend stepfather was the birth father)

DrCoconut · 25/01/2014 20:48

My ex behaved badly saying he didn't want to be involved etc ( though this was after we had registered DS). So I gave him his wish. He doesn't see him and I don't claim any money from him. It's as though he doesn't exist. And he has never approached me to change it, from what I could gather at the time he was happy with the arrangement. He would not have been a positive role model at all (substance issues) and I have given DS a good life free from hassle. Sometimes cutting and running is the right thing to do. But I guess it has to be this or allow him to participate fully, I'm not sure that a mix and match approach would work as people would not know where they stand.

UsingMyRedPen · 25/01/2014 20:56

if you don't put him on the birth cert he'll have to apply for parental responsibility through the courts. An unpleasant process undoubtedly but it'll cost him £200 (at least) as well as time and effort. Let him do that. If he bothers I'll be fucking amazed.

HappySeven · 25/01/2014 21:14

I'm sorry, I didn't really mean for you to add him, I meant let him add himself. Your son will one day be a man who will judge whether this is important for himself. He'll also decide whether this man is someone who he considers his father or just a sperm donor. I'd let him make that choice.

SuperScrimper · 25/01/2014 21:14

Caitlin you don't seem to be able to grasp what people are telling you. Other people have as much righ to have their feelings as you do. Just because you don't feel shame or hurt or embarrassment doesn't mean other people don't.

I have seen how the absence of a Father has caused my Mother years of anguish. Do her feelings not matter because you state she shouldn't feel shame?