to want to try coke just once?

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I'm nearing a significant and have a bit of a bucket list.
This is one thing that I'm considering.
Sourcing it shouldn't be a problem.
I've tried softer drugs in my midtwenties, but am now just got a yearning to give it a go in a very controlled environment. But and a little bit concerned about the aftermath.
AIBU to be thinking like this?

teenmum3 "To all of you promoting drug use, have you ever thought about how drugs effect each and every one of us daily?"

I share your concerns.

I was talking about MDMA. I would be very surprised if anyone has ever robbed a car stereo to get MDMA! It's not physically addictive, for a start.

Drug addiction is a massive problem in our society, mainly heroin, cocaine (including crack cocaine) and prescription medications.

Drug related crime has a huge cost - financial and social.

The drugs themselves being banned hasn't stopped the crime. If you do a bit of research into this, and understand the problem, you may well come to understand that drugs being illegal is actually part of the problem rather than the solution.

Drugs being illegal means that criminals control them. It means that addicts is treated as criminals rather than having a health problem, and that has been proved to be pretty ineffective in curing them. It means that the quality of the drugs is often poor, and the dosage unpredictable, which results in deaths. Many, many drugs deaths are not down to the drug itself, but due to quality.

So, I share your concerns, but I think saying "drugs are bad" and banning them simply doesn't work. If we really want to change the destruction that drugs like crack and heroin are doing to our society, then why on earth have we given them to criminals to control? We need to take them away from the dealers, by decriminalising them so we can control their production and supply IMO. And to be honest about which ones are actually very dangerous, and which ones have been massively overhyped as dangerous because it suits certain people's agendas (politicians, newspapers, the alcohol industry, etc).

Also, if we controlled production, then drugs like coke wouldn't be covered in blood money, would they?

having read about a of crimes that have been committed by someone who was high, not just theft but murder too, is enough for me to think there's a link between drug use and mental health issues (also there is evidence suggesting it...).

actually, i agree that there's no point in drugs being illegal if alcohol isn't, quite frankly.

"why would you not share mdma with your kids"

I will do you the courtesy of considering and answering your question, would be nice if you might answer a couple of mine!

So, I dunno. It just feels like something I want to do with my peers, but not my children. I am looking forward to having an opportunity to get rip-roaring drunk one day. (By then I will have been breastfeeding for 9 years, and not been rip-roaring drunk in that time, by then! I don't want to do it all the time, but once in a while might be fun.)

I don't want my DCs to see me drunk either. I think I feel I am the adult, and need to be responsible and reliable, not out of it, when they're around, and I can't see that changing when they're young adults.

Perhaps when I'm really old, and we've got to the point where they feel they have to look after me anyway ... (Visions of finding a young dealer to sneak interesting substances into the old folks home for me and my naughty old mates )

How do you know I'm not an expert anyway? I wouldn't say I was, but I do know more about this than most, I worked for a while for a charity which gave harm-reduction advice to teenagers. (I did not recommend Es to them before you ask, of course not! I delivered a programme in a professional manner). Before being let into the schools, we had to study detailed information on a range of drugs and drug-related issues, over 6 months.

I've also done my own research, as I'm interested as it used to be an important part of my life.

So I would say I am better educated than most on drugs.

because i can't imagine an 'expert' telling people it was okay to do them.

or rather encouraging people.

and what questions have you asked me?

"having read about a of crimes that have been committed by someone who was high"

This is wildly exaggerated in the press, you are being manipulated to think this. The reality is, some drugs do make people aggressive, others not at all.

Crack cocaine for example can make people aggressive, I would expect it is a factor in violent crime. Steroids are particularly bad for this. "Roid rage" is not pleasant.

Drugs like MDMA, simply, do not make people violent. They make people want to hug strangers!

Weed is also not likely to make people violent. However if it's known that someone has been smoking weed before they did something violent, many papers may well chose to report them as drug crazed, even if there is no connection. For example, I remember reading about a violent assault, where the headline alluded to the fact the perpetrator was on drugs. If you read the whole article, however, it turned out he'd not only had a couple of spliffs, but was also drunk. The alcohol is so, so much more likely to have been a contributory factor in violence. But less shocking so it doesn't sell papers. The story was manipulated to fit the "drugs are scary and will turn people mad" story that the paper wanted to publish, screw the actual facts.

"actually, i agree that there's no point in drugs being illegal if alcohol isn't, quite frankly."

Great, we agree on something :)

no pobble, i've read an awful lot of books about serial killers, if you must know.

Ah, I'm not trying to encourage people to take drugs, I'm just sick of the misinformation and nonsense spoken about them.

Um, OK.

And these are scientific, peer-review studies of serial killers are they? Or books written for the readers' enjoyment (if that's the right word!) where the "facts" might well be manipulated or presented in a certain light to make a good story?

look up 'the method and madness of monsters'. very insightful.

also have an xp who couldn't manage without cannabis. doesn't make me an expert but i know enough to tell you that it wasn't fun.

VampyreofTimeandMemory , here are some of the questions I asked ...

1. Is your solution to alcoholism and the 40,000 deaths a year from it to ban drink for everyone? If not, why not?

1. Do you intend to share a glass of wine with your DCs when they are of age? If so, does that mean you're condoning alcoholism?

1. I'm asking if you can see that drugs (e.g. alcohol) can be enjoyed responsibly

1. Do you really think that people are dropping down dead all over the place from trying drugs for the first time? The figures do not support that.

Yes and I know lots of people with drink problems. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy a nice glass of wine though does it?

a couple of nice glasses of wine don't have quite the same effect as a couple of pills though.

And we're back to the "fun" thing again.

Cannabis is lots of fun for lots and lots of people the world over! It's not fun for everyone however. (It does not agree with me any more, for example) For some people, especially those who take it early in their teens (evidence supports this) it may trigger mental illness.

The strength of weed such has super skunk has intensified massively since the drug has been cultivated by criminals. Superskunk is not the same drug that people took years ago.

Again, if it was legalised and properly regulated (and people were allowed to grow their own) this would help minimise harm.

I was comparing a couple of glasses of wine to a couple of spliffs. Just because your ex didn't enjoy it or use it responsibly, it doesn't mean no one can or should!

i meant it wasn't fun for me

Ah, OK. It wasn't fun for me either when I had an alcoholic for a partner, I sympathise. Or one who was too much into taking a particular (supposedly non-addictive) Not at all fun to be around someone with an addiction or habitual use of a drug which is out of control. Very boring!

Not sure what your point is though?

did OP decide whether to cross this one off her list or not?

amazed by the people who are telling the OP "you could end up in jail", if she tries a line of coke.

would never happen

we're never going to agree. ultimately, my point is that it's not on for anyone to be recommending, suggesting and encouraging someone who's never done drugs before, to try them. for every idiot who thinks they're fucking awesome, there'll be someone who's had a horrible experience as a result of one night or an addiction (and not necessarily the person who's taken the drug). if anyone feels that they have a better time when they're high then that's to be pitied. i would say the same about alcohol. clearly they can be fatal but they can also cause or make worse existing mental health issues. mdma can trigger anxiety disorders. if you do some research into criminal minds you'll find that one thing many of that have in common, is drug use.

well she might if she tries a line, likes it, makes it a regular thing, has to pick up once or twice a week from scary premiership footballers' dads people