to want to try coke just once?

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I'm nearing a significant and have a bit of a bucket list.
This is one thing that I'm considering.
Sourcing it shouldn't be a problem.
I've tried softer drugs in my midtwenties, but am now just got a yearning to give it a go in a very controlled environment. But and a little bit concerned about the aftermath.
AIBU to be thinking like this?

Forget the frankly naive ranging through to idiotic posters on here.

People have a predisposition to schizophrenia, it's not the drugs that make them that way, it's been a lifetime of problems coupled with their genetics. Also, with their diminished capacity to reason, people in the prodromal stages of schizophrenia have an increased likelihood to take drugs of any kind. I'm sorry, but your relatives were already away down the path of problems before they took their first drugs.

Fact is that if you take drugs like cocaine once then you're no more likely to suffer from psychosis or become a drug addict than someone taking their first sip of alcohol; that first sip will not make you become an alcoholic.

Obviously cocaine can cause harm, but it's tiny really on a personal level to you. Take it, have fun and enjoy yourself, it's incredibly unlikely anything is going to happen to yourself beyond feeling sober on the night and a little blue for a day or two after.

Quite frankly though, I wouldn't take coke if I wanted a good time: MDMA, Mkat and Acid are far and away better and more enjoyable.

Sarenko - you may well be right about the schizophrenia. I have just read up about that following your post. I'm not sure that their other symptoms are schizophrenia related though (I have met several benevolent schizophrenics who are able to work/function as normal). I do notice that you didn't mention my other example of the person who killed his friend - while I can believe that he may have had a predisposition to violence, I did notice a significant difference in his behaviour when he was high. Like I said, most people aren't badly/permanently affected by drugs - but a few are. Until we know what weird brain stuff makes someone predisposed to having a bad reaction to these substances (and can confidently say that said substances are what they purport to be), I find it difficult to justify the high you get from them with the potential risks of buggering up your brain. It does seem like it's playing Russian roulette, and IMO that would be a foolish game for a mother, who has a responsibility to be there for her children, to play.

Maggie perhaps they're saying the difference is it's OK for him to do it if he's not doing it for fun?

If he'd decided to take up smoking weed as he'd found it made him relaxed, and giggly, instead of free from pain, then they'd be warning of reefer madness. Perhaps ...

I'm glad your dad has found something which helps. How nonsensical that he probably can't talk openly to his doctor about it.

Coke is the drug of choice for twats.

sadly a schoolboy has just died from taking ecstasy at an illegal rave after promising his mother he 'wouldn't die'. all fun and games though right?

Exactly Vampy, yet there are grown adults on this thread recommending others to take Es (MDMA)

MaggieMcGill it's great that he can be honest with his doctor, but it's a real shame it puts you in such a difficult position.

VampyreofTimeandMemory you asked why MDMA was fun, I answered you. You seemed to be labouring under the impression that drugs were not really any fun, and couldn't understand why people would take them

I did NOT say MDMA was risk free. It is a whole load safer than alcohol however. Do you intend to share a glass of wine with your DCs when they are of age? If so, does that mean you're condoning alcoholism? Of course not.

MaggieMcGill I'm quite impressed by his doctor. If it helps and his doctor agrees, then it sounds like a possible course of action.

pobble you don't need to tell me how much fun drugs are, i've 'dabbled' and if i could go back and not do it, i would. i don't look back on it with fond memories. i wouldn't touch the fucking things ever again. they're really not all that, the comedown is dreadful for a start.

sorry pobble are you actually saying you'd share drugs with your dc when they're older?

"sadly a schoolboy has just died from taking ecstasy at an illegal rave after promising his mother he 'wouldn't die'. all fun and games though right?"

Come on. Do you want me to start quoting alcohol deaths at you?

We all know that there are risks with any drugs, legal, illegal or prescription. MDMA is one of the least dangerous though, if we are looking at drugs people take for fun.

It is tragic that anyone should die after a night out. However the kind of hands-in-the-air shock horror you are demonstrating at anyone taking drugs for fun is actually part of the problem IMO. I don't know the situation surrounding this boy's tragic death. However, of all the people I have heard of dying while taking an E, they have either died from a different drug (as pills are so often not actually MDMA), from a combination of drugs (so not the MDMA) or from their behaviour while on the drug. Leah Betts for example, did not actually die from the E she took. She died because she drank a massive amount of water, which was too much for her body.

If drugs were regulated, and were good quality drugs which people knew exactly what they were, and were sold in carefully measured doses, then the drug deaths would fall dramatically.

I'm not saying that MDMA is safe. If you take enough, you can die from it. There were 13 recorded deaths from taking Esctacy in 2011. Of course each is a tragic loss. But that's a very low number compared to other drugs. Alcohol claims 40,000 people a year and tobacco 114,000.

Is your solution to alcoholism and the 40,000 deaths a year from it to ban drink for everyone? If not, why not?

To all of you promoting drug use, have you ever thought about how drugs effect each and every one of us daily?

You may be able to afford to buy drugs but not everyone can.

When your car window is smashed for the stereo or sat nav, when your house is burgled, when a bag is stolen or phone, when people rob old ladies, all these crimes link to drug users.

how many people do you know have been killed by alcohol just being what it is, the first time they tried it?

It's hard, this thread. I mean, people die in road accidents so you may as well say, don't drive as it can kill. Of course, driving is a necessity for many so it is not an option. Drugs are not, so it seems to fit that moralistic self-indulgence leads to death thing.

It is true that I would be more worried about someone trying cannabis, unlike in the 60s it is a lot more dangerous and seems to lead to schitzophrenia, or untap it at any rate, you don't know until it's too late. Once that occurs, you may not die but you are stuck with it. At least you can in theory get off coke.

It always seems to the middle class kids with their life ahead of them who die taking drugs, or maybe that is just what gets reported. That is why I didn't try them as a teen, and why I'd now feel it wouldn't be such a big deal now, I wouldn't feel I'm exactly throwing away a winning hand, to put it bluntly.

No, I'm not saying that. I was using sharing a glass of wine with your DC because it's something which is normal in our society, and I'm asking if you can see that drugs (e.g. alcohol) can be enjoyed responsibly. That the worst-case scenario is not the whole story.

FWIW I guess, if I still smoked weed I probably would, if they had got into it independently of me and were an adult, not a teen. I don't see any problem with that at all. That's academic though as I don't!

I don't think anyone is 'promoting drug use' or saying it doesn't cause problems or even deaths.

That black and white and slightly hysterical attitude is so alienating for young people who use drugs (or whose peers use drugs).

People who have taken drugs are - very importantly - pointing out that in most cases it is enjoyable and fun and generally, relatively harmless if taken infrequentlyand moderately. That is FACT.

And it helps no-one to pretend that taking drugs always leads to misery and addiction.

Of course we don't want our kids to take drugs, drugs can be dangerous. Like many on here I wish they were legalised and tested so that young people were safer.

“Heroin, cocaine and other drugs continue to kill around 200,000 people a year, shattering families and bringing misery to thousands of other people, insecurity and the spread of HIV,” the Executive Director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, Yury Fedotov, said in a news release. He added that as developing countries emulate industrialized nations’ lifestyles, it is likely that drug consumption will increase.

VampyreofTimeandMemory 40,000 people a year die from alcohol. Some of them will be young people, drunk on a night out. It stands to reason that sometimes people do die the first time they get very drunk.

Do you really think that people are dropping down dead all over the place from trying drugs for the first time? The figures do not support that. Please, try doing some research other than sensationalist news articles!

Teenmum, have you thought about misconceptions and common prejudice from the woefully ill-informed affect each and every one of us daily?

People who are most at risk of developing problem drug use - not those who might occasionally take and enjoy drugs - are those who are at the margins of society. These are people who are socially and economically marginalised and disaffected from education, family, work etc. The relationship between these factors and drug use is not linear. Neither is the relationship between drug use and crime.

Please do some research before you start touting such rubbish. Drugs leads to crime is a theory that at best offers only a partial explanation and is unsupported by research. It also fails to acknowledge wider
complexities and views drug user-offenders as passive when poverty and lack of educational and employment opportunities have a huge part to play.

pobble i've known many, many people to take drugs. i do not think people are 'dropping down dead' all the time. i'm no more an expert than you are but enough people die from taking them for me to not recommend them to someone who's never done them before.

and just out of interest, why would you not share mdma with your kids?

Teenmum, your inability to use basic reason is really starting to annoy me. 200,000k deaths is tragic, but it is by no means shocking, or immense.

Deaths from chronic disease amount to 36 million every year, and these are, in the main, caused by alcohol, smoking, inactivity and overeating. As developing countries emulate industrialized nations’ lifestyles, we see chronic disease mortality and morbidity increase.

I'm sure that seeing as you like to use statistics in a nonsensical way, I take it that you'll be using this information and ensuring that your children never overeat, smoke, drink or laze about?