to want to try coke just once?

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I'm nearing a significant and have a bit of a bucket list.
This is one thing that I'm considering.
Sourcing it shouldn't be a problem.
I've tried softer drugs in my midtwenties, but am now just got a yearning to give it a go in a very controlled environment. But and a little bit concerned about the aftermath.
AIBU to be thinking like this?

of all the people I know who have ever used drugs regularly, or continue to, I can only think of one who isn't obviously a bit troubled in some way, it's definitely an exception to a rule

although obviously it is hard to think of people who are not at all troubled I just think the ones for whom drugs are or have been a routine part of their lives are visibly a bit unhappier than average

i'm sure you've never judged anyone for doing something illegal and potentially dangerous lying

Agree Mitchy. One of my brothers was a habitual cannabis user and it's definitely changed him as a person and not for the better. People should really know and accept the risks before they make decisions, some of those risks, accepting that some of these may only become apparent some time in the future.

Vampyre... Probaby in my head but I doubt I'd voice it. What's the point? You can give an opinion, helpful advice even, but ultimatey, people will do what they want to do whether others approve or not.

yeah but op did ask for opinions in this case.

Yes aimed at you mcfox (as you do seem to be congratulating yourself) and those who PMed you with congratulations about sharing your experiences (anonymously-how brave ) and suggesting others just go right on ahead and do it too regardless of the consequences to them or their families which one bereaved mother has very selflessy explained to her emotional detriment. Having read goinggreys post any decent person would have thought 'you know what, enough, i support illegal drug taking but i wont be so completely vile as to encourage it publicly in the prescence of someone who has suffered so much due to it'

True, Vampyre, she did. I think reading others' experiences is very helpful and interesting.

generally though, I think if you don't know how dreadful it is possible to feel, and how desperate you can become to take absolutely anything just to try to be 'normal' for a while you are quite lucky and hopefully it will stay that way

the thought of cannabis barely gets a reaction from many people but it's one of the worst imo.

mcfox's post isn't vile or indecent, SillyBilly. At any point, on any thread, there could be something that is upsetting to somebody else. It's unfair, I think, to criticise a poster, who is answering the OP's questions, because of another poster who has joined the thread and has posted their own experience.

Well the OP has said that she wasn't aware of the global implications, so I think it is worth pointing out. I've already said that drugs should be legalised, as I would much rather they were regulated in the way that medical drugs and alcohol are, so accusations of 'hysterical hand wringing' don't quite fly - I feel I'm being fairly considered.

Nor do I appreciate you implying that I can't handle the fact that some people enjoy drugs. I understand that perfectly. If people didn't genuinely get significant pleasure from taking them then there wouldn't be a drugs trade, would there? That you continue to have a great time taking them is wonderful for you

I suppose I'm taken aback by the fact that so many grown adults, with life experience and, presumably, the capability to empathise with others, are being so laissez faire about something that is dangerous (in that you don't know what you're taking - at least with alcohol you know what you're ingesting) and that has clearly had a huge impact on some people's lives. In particular the lack of humanity or sympathy shown to goinggrey by so many posters (not all, obviously) in the wake of her original revelation has made me really see red.

I'm going back to lurking now. This is making me far too angry.

Sorry i should have been clearer- i wasnt talking about a specific post or poster when i said that. I mean all those who have posted since goinggrey has encouraging OP to go ahead or high fiving each other by saying what and how much and how great in reference to their drug use.

Hogwash... That's really sad. My brother also holds down a job but I see that he's changed from the ambitious person with many dreams to somebody who has clung on to the same job for 10 years, whilst desperate to grow into another career. He's also paranoid and people (family) eggshell-step around him. It makes me sad for him - and our family.

yy Vampyre, I would agree with that. It the most insidious drug and so readily available.

SillyBilly, I can see that you don't actually bother reading things, of at least comprehending them properly, so I'll just point out two things here.

One, I wasn't congratulating myself (what would be the point?) but pointing out that I wasn't alone in my opinion that the "all drugs are evil" stance is unwarranted and illogical.

Secondly, I've related my experience of this issue and not encouraged anyone to do anything.

This is a debate, therefore you're going to get differing opinions. You don't like mine, and I certainly don't like your accusatory tone, but that's what grown up debate is all about. No-one is forcing you to take part here, and if a differing opinion is vile to you, might I suggest that you are in the wrong place?

Your opinion isnt vile. Insisting on spouting it since goinggrey has posted is.

No, it isn't. I'm sorry for anybody who has lost a loved one; that's pretty much everybody on Mumsnet at some point in their life. Posters are free to post about their loss, of course they are, but other posters are also free to continue to post about their experiences as per the topic started by the OP. What are posters supposed to do? Stop posting as soon as somebody posts a sensitive post? Post around them, what?

You only need to read threads where somebody has posted that they have lost or are losing somebody dear to them to see the level of compassion posters have; it's really heartening and I've never seen anybody blithely posting insensitively on such threads. This is not such a thread.

There are altogether too many posters attempting to moderate/silence others for nothing more than their own perception that they are the arbiters of what is and what isn't, acceptable to post.

And again, if you read back, my posts this evening have been about people being told to stfu. I've not encouraged anything or given any opinion on drug taking other than to say that we should be able to speak about it without being called names. Don't let that get in the way of your venomous outpourings though eh?

I'm not unfeeling and I have passed my condolences to goingrey, so stop trying to make out that I am some kind of villain here. If this is where we're at, then it's no wonder society can't have sensible conversations about serious issues.

Agree with Lying.

VampyreofTimeandMemory you asked earlier why MDMA is fun? Why do you think you need to challenge that, I'm confused? Why would so many people do it if it wasn't such fun? But seeing as you asked ...

What's not to like about joy, connnectedness and pleasure?

It can make you feel absolutely amazing - full of energy, kind, loving and empathetic to those around you.

To be in an abandoned field, sharing an experience with literally 1,000s of other people in a similar mindstate, dancing to music you adore, feeling an intense joy and oneness with the music and the people around you is just an incredible experience. MDMA loosens you up, not in an alcohol reduced senses way, but by heightening your senses. It sometimes used to make me feel like I was the music, which was wonderful.

Or, to be with someone you love, feeling that bit more connected, seeing things with new eyes. Feeling rushes of pleasure in your body. Grinning from ear to ear.

And please don't say "but it's not real". It certainly feels pretty bloody real at the time.

Incidentally, what do you think stopped the football violence of the 80s? A huge factor was the introduction of MDMA to the terraces. It made a massive difference. Bit hard to fight someone when you were hugging them in a club the night before!

Of course these just some good bits. There are downsides too, but you didn't ask about them. You asked why it was fun.

Well said McFox.