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About eating out and tipping

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Normalisavariantofcrazy · 17/01/2014 20:25

I've just endured a meal with the inlaws and fil insisted on rounding the bill up - not to the nearest £10 but to the nearest £20 before splitting it out evenly between us all.

The meal was a set price the only thing that varied it was the drinks.

DH and I only had enough money for our share of the bill (tight month) and yet FIL would not accept this and nearly started a row saying we should pay the extra as it was for a tip, the service was shit tbh and didn't deserve one.

AIBU to be angry with FIL for insisting we spend more money than we had budgeted for a)because he got pissed as a fart and most of the bill was his drinks and b) for him rounding it up without asking

How do you deal with group meals and splitting the bill? This has really upset me as I'm now utterly skint

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GinOnTwoWheels · 21/01/2014 09:05

When you go to eat out you are not really paying for food, you are paying for someone to make your food, the general ambiance and for someone to wait on you. It is your choice to use this luxury and that is why it is customary to tip.

I agree with makingeverydaycount that the above statement is bollocks and also that the ambience, luxury and service is built into the price.

For example, DP and I went to Pizzaexpress for a quick lunch a couple of weeks ago. We had Tesco vouchers that covered a lot of the cost, otherwise, it was extortionate. Over Thirty Five Pounds for two pizzas, nuts and olives, and a single large bottle of beer to share. For middle of the road chain restaurant food!

We could buy nearly a week’s food shopping for that! The same amount of food in the supermarket would cost between £5 and £10 for equal amounts and quality.

Those of you who think tipping is necessary would have probably rounded up to £40, so about £4 or so in a tip? We were in and out a little over an hour and in that time, our waiter will have spent no more than 5 minutes serving us, and waited on other tables at the same time.

Assuming that the other tables were the same, and they probably weren’t as some would have had more people, more food or more drinks, but even if a waiter served 4 tables per hour (and I would expect that it would be more than that) and everyone tipped 10-15%, that would add up to at least £10-20 per hour on top of wages. Surely waiting staff don’t earn that much?

In the end we paid the portion of the bill that wasn’t covered by the vouchers by card and left a £2 coin as a tip. I think that is more than generous for a few minutes interaction over an hour, for someone who would have also earned at least NMW plus other tips. But a lot of people on here would say that that is mean and I shouldn’t eat out if I don’t want to spend a week’s food shopping money on a single lunch out.

Upthread, someone said that they waitressed many years ago (over 30?) and never came away with less than £25 for a 5 hour shift, suggesting that she sometimes received more than that.

As a comparison, I remember that just 20 years ago, in my first job as a lab technician in the NHS, carrying out tests that determined what type of medical treatment people received, so at least as responsible and important as carrying plates of food Hmm, working full time 7.5 hours per day my full time annual salary was £6600.

So the maximum I earned for a single shift that was 1.5 times as long as the waitress’s shift was, wait for it £25.38.

So in the UK, I feel no guilt about not tipping 10-15% for mediocre/average service in restaurants, and I stand by my opinion that waiting tables is a similar level of job to retail and cleaning, and no where near as important as care work, so in no way deserves tips to enhance normal pay.

fifi669 · 21/01/2014 09:13

You don't have to tip in the UK. Unlike in the US the workers here will be on the NMW or above so they don't rely on it in the same way.

I tip the change after paying my bill. Could be pence or pounds but nothing much.

Grennie · 21/01/2014 09:17

I really think a lot of you on here are very tight. And my experience in real life is that those who don't tip, are pretty tight in other ways too. And yes, I do judge people who I socialise with who are like this.

KatnipEvergreen · 21/01/2014 09:33

I also waitressed for a couple of years, earning £3 an hour and worked in a night club and a shop while studying. I am never superior with waiting on staff (or anyone) but I do only tip for good service. So 90% + of the time I do leave a 10%+ tip.

PenguinDancer · 21/01/2014 09:37

if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out

This.

FuckingWankwings · 21/01/2014 10:00

'a tip is the standard part of the wages.' No it isn't. A tip is discretionary. It it always up to the customer whether or not they want to tip and, if so, how much.

KatnipEvergreen · 21/01/2014 10:04

I wish waiting on was elevated to the profession it is in France. Interesting that someone equated it to "a similar level of job to retail and cleaning" earlier. After living in France for a bit that's not how I see it.

Grennie · 21/01/2014 10:59

Yes it is discretionary, because you are not expected to tip for bad service. You are expected to tip though.

FuckingWankwings · 21/01/2014 11:40

Well, people can expect away. I never expected to get tips when I waited tables; it was just a nice little extra if I did.

glasgowsteven · 21/01/2014 11:55

Read with interest.

It was a harder than normal table, so she gets an extra 3 hours pay for that table... what about the nursery who have a crying baby with croup and whose mum was stuck in work.

Tips should not be given in hair/food/taxi places, unless they are given in all.... Vet anyone, the low paid vets assistant was so helpful when my dog got put down, so lovely, but did anyone slip her 20 quid.

Oh no, I did bring a box of chocs later on.

not the same eh!

i dont tip and never do never will

FuckingWankwings · 21/01/2014 13:55

Oh, I don't know about hairdressers. I always tip my hairdresser, but I think that's a bit different; small independent salon, I see her frequently, she knows me and my hair well and I trust her. It's a relationship thing, I think. If I had a real 'local' restaurant where the staff knew me well then I think I'd probably tip a bit higher than a place where I go infrequently or as a one-off.

MomsStiffler · 21/01/2014 14:18

If you give exceptional service, if you help make the meal better, if you're pleasant & engage with us you'll get a tip.

If you just take orders & serve food you won't.

There's no right to a tip at all, it's to reward that "little bit extra"....

That's how we do it anyway!

PrimalLass · 21/01/2014 15:21

I find it hard to believe the people who say they've withheld the tip because of poor service in restaurants. What do you want these people to do? A fucking tap dance?

As I said above, I withheld an added on tip in a cafe in Covent Garden because the service was atrocious - we had to get our gown drinks and cutlery because the waitress was too bust chatting. I don't expect 'a fucking tap dance' but I do expect to be actually brought the food and drink I am paying for.

I always tip. However, I sometimes think 10-15% is too much.

PrimalLass · 21/01/2014 15:33

*own drinks and cutlery because the waitress was too busy chatting

squoosh · 21/01/2014 16:11

Tips should not be given in hair/food/taxi places, unless they are given in all....'

It's a bit odd that someone who proudly claims to never ever tip thinks they can give instruction to other people as to who they can tip.

I always tip good service in a restaurant. If I was on a date for instance and my date told me that they never tipped no matter how great the service, I just wouldn't bother seeing him again. Can't stand misers.

nappyaddict · 21/01/2014 16:12

When eating out as a group we usually roughly add up what we've had and then add an extra £1 each or 10% for a tip. I hate quibbling over the bill at the end so I add up what we've had as we go along and make a note of it on my phone.

squoosh · 21/01/2014 16:15

'I add up what we've had as we go along and make a note of it on my phone.'

Really? That would suck the enjoyment out of a meal for me. As long as no one takes the piss ordering themselves lots of drinks on the side I just prefer to split it evenly.

nappyaddict · 21/01/2014 16:19

Oh and I usually pay on card so I can say "can you put £33.70 or whatever on the card please" so you don't have to worry about not getting enough change.

nappyaddict · 21/01/2014 16:21

squoosh Not to the penny, so say I have a starter of £3.69, main of £10.99 and pudding of £4.99 I will say in my head that's £22 I need to put in.

glasgowsteven · 21/01/2014 16:27

Squoosh

SO if you went on a date, a nice meal, say a more expneive place, 60-80 quid for you both - he pays -, then onto a bar, and he buys cocktails.

its late, he is a gent, so he insists you take 20 for the taxi home.......

Then you mention on the next date about tipping and a thread on here, he says he never tips....

what a miser eh

glasgowsteven · 21/01/2014 16:29

Tips should not be given in hair/food/taxi places, unless they are given in all....'

It's a bit odd that someone who proudly claims to never ever tip thinks they can give instruction to other people as to who they can tip.

Unfortunately people who do tip are causing this to become the social norm!

so why tip in some places and not in others...surely if you go for a bra fitting the lady who measures you etc....she should get a tip.......and Bra Advisors in M and S earn the same as everyone else

squoosh · 21/01/2014 16:30

I would never be on a date where someone buy me dinner, buys all the drinks and gives me £20 for my taxi home. Sounds stifling.

As I said, if he took pride in telling me he never ever tipped, no I wouldn't see him again.

squoosh · 21/01/2014 16:31

My point is that you don't tip anyone so why are you so put out that others do? I tip who I choose to tip.

glasgowsteven · 21/01/2014 16:39

Not took pride, matter of factly honrestly said

oh do you tip, I never do....

I am put out others do as the attitude from 50% of this thread is

"unless the proles can afford to pay and tip they should not be eating out"

Put a price on the menu, thats the price I shall pay.

What about a shoe shop, when someone is dealing with feet all day, and helping toddlers try on shoes... does anyone tip them

again no...

it is a cartel by the f & b industry to extract more money from us.

most other employers would discipline if monies were taken - the food and bev faciliatate it

Crowler · 21/01/2014 16:52

To be fair if I worked for 8 pounds an hour doing a job that could be considered more difficult than waiting tables, I probably would resent tipping. It's possible that the perspective in support of tipping is a privileged one.

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