to think older teens should be made to watch what an abortion is in PHSE. (sorry possibly triggering)

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I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

ooh, is wwc back?

Take a deep breath OP and tell us exactly why you think teenagers should watch films of abortions. 15 pages in and it's still like watching David Walliams dancing round with a flute.

OK, I haven't read the whole thread.

But maybe the OP is suggesting that abortion shouldn't be confused with contraception? Maybe young people should be aware that abortion is not an easy route? Neither emotionally nor physically. Prevention better than cure and all that?

Just a thought from a latecomer.

Yeah, great, thanks for that.

Sorry, Line, I've not helped with telling the OP to fuck off...

Hear hear, Linerunner. What's impressed me most about this thread has been the diligent way posters have tried to get any sense out of the OP. It would be great pity for it to be deleted because of any name calling.

Believe me, I've written and deleted a few of my own posts to avoid this.

No reply then OP?

I think op needs a bigger spade

has anyone got any statistics to prove/disprove the hypothesis that teenagers are using abortion instead of the pill or condoms

are is this just about being hysterical and outraged?

I haven't rtft (i managed half) but I have read all of op's posts.

op I'm going to humour you, just for a minute. I assume when you say teens, you mean year 11? I'll assume so.

When I was in year 11, I was 15 (summer baby). My view of the world was pretty black and white. I was going to finish my gcses, do a-levels, then go to Uni and get a teaching degree. I would get married, and have children. I also had pretty black and white views of abortion - it was wrong as far as I was concerned, unless you'd been raped. (its ok, my views have matured along with me.)
But what no one knew,.was that I was actually beinfg sexually abused by a family member. It had been going on for quite some time and I was too afraid to tell anyone. This was how he managed to abuse me for so long.

So now we have my 15 year old self watching an abortion film. While I'm sure it would have shocked and upset me, it would have reinforced my pro-life ideas, but I wasn't 'that sort of girl' so it didn't matter anyway.

Except a year later, I was that girl. Yes, I was pregnant to my abuser :( I was too scared to even admit I might be pregnant, and as a result was about 18 weeks IIRC when I had my abortion.

Some years later I saw an abortion film on tv, it could have been The Silent Scream as mentioned above, I can't remember. All I know is I watched the entire.thing like this when it finished I went upstairs to check on baby ds1. My friend came up to find me as I'd been gone for ages. I was sat in the corner, hugging my baby, tears streaming down my face and rocking. I was horrified at what I'd done previously. :( After she had calmed me down and I'd explained, I actually vomited thinking about it.

Now I have found some kind of peace.
Do I regret the abortion? No, I had to have it because of the circumstances.
But sometimes, very occasionally I think about who that foetus would have grown into. A boy? Or an only daughter? Who knows. It's a pain I do live with.

But had I seen that abortion film at 15? I doubt I would have had the abortion, but then I'd have to explain why my child looked so much like a family member. Or explain to my very new dp that I loved him but would he raise another mans baby.

op in short, its a bad idea!

AHEM

We're all for robust debate but we don't tolerate personal attacks.

OP you owe saggy a HUGE apology, she has shared her personal experience with you and instead of showing her an ounce of empathy you have told her her reasons (for what must be an unimaginably horrible decision to have to consider) aren't 'good enough' and then come back and called her a bully?

Perhaps you should take your own advice and rtft because you don't seem to be reading saggy's posts properly.

And this harping on about men saying 'get rid of it' suggests that you do think that abortion is wrong. If you were pro choice you wOuldn't care. Fwiw I'm a Roman Catholic and while I don't think I'd have an abortion, I have absolutely no right to foist my beliefs on others. Or guilt trip them. We were shown The Silent Scream at school in the early 80's - all it did was harden my pro choice beliefs.

I just think that a thread like this, showing such articulate and passionately felt personal views, shouldn't disappear because it didn't go the way of the OP.

I would love my daughter to read it. (She is nearly 18.)

running, why do you assume abortion is not easy? Its perfectly easy if performed early enough. And emotionally pretty easy if people don't rant on about abortion being about killing babies.

I do resent the idea that abortion has to be some roiling emotional trauma that any decent person will struggle with foreva to get over.

Its like you are only allowed an abortion if you can prove it nearly destroys you as a person.

Which is actually far from the truth for most people. Its a bit like going to the dentist. Not fun while you are there, but mighty relief once you are out.

Or is that to real for some people?

I think wittiernickname has said it all op - if you take offence to everyone else's post, read hers carefully and then read it again!!!

Sorry but pmsl@ 'David Walliams dancing around with a flute' :o

Spot on.

stats from 2012 here. I haven't got the energy to plough through the whole thing but the executive summary shows that the rate of abortion was highest in 2012 in women aged 21 NOT teenagers. The majority of abortions take place in the first trimester.

Thanks Betty I nearly didn't post it.

Well said, Madame.

Nothern stop bringing pesky facts to the debate - it spoils the hyperbole

oh and what Madam said as well

I'm not anti- abortion in the slightest, even though personally i'd never have one

That's a contradiction in terms - it comes across loud and clear in your OP that you would never have an abortion. You are anti-abortion really.

Did I come across anti- abortion in my OP?

Yes. This is why I wondered whether the Catholic Church had wandered across to MN with a not-so-hidden agenda. This is why you are getting the reaction you are getting.

Madame sorry!

OP BACK OFF now! Leave Saggy alone. I haven't caught up with the thread will do so now but I don't care what the hell has been going on here you will not speak to another poster like that. Leave her alone.

who do you think you are? Head prefect?

who do you think you are coco44 HQ?