to think older teens should be made to watch what an abortion is in PHSE. (sorry possibly triggering)

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I know this may be controversial but I have thought this for some time.
Abortion is legal in this country but still straight forward , informative talks about it are clouded by morality and judgement and at the end of the day, sometimes people need to have one in tragic circumstances i.e people who are made critically ill by pregnancy.
And are often as well as already scared and sad, i don't think most people make this decision lightly, are woefully underprepared which i'm sure must only add to emotional trauma.
and of course there are too many potential uninterested fathers who just utter 'get rid of it' at the hearing of potentially being a father, so disgustingly flippantly like throwing a crisp packet in the bin, I do think if they especially had seen a medical video of the procedure, well i think the number of people who just thrown that term around would be significantly less, if they had actually seen that image with their own eyes , and would be less detached from the idea and process.
I'm talking older teens , like 16+ here , not 11 year olds.
my mum and i have always though this, i would find it traumatising and pretty shocking, but compared to people who feel shame, go backstreet putting themselves at risk and people who go through with pregnancies they did not want/need. Surely a bit of discomfort is better then that being a legacy of another generation.

Yes, I object to contraception and would like all of these women who are preventing the union of a sperm and egg to stop doing so and hand their babies over to infertile couples. That's not unreasonable is it?

Glitz

I think Crowler was being facetious and pointing out the obvious flaw in your logic...

Everyone seemed to assume that the OP meant show teens the awful reality of the procedure but I thought she (?) was saying it would be re assuring and prevent unwanted pg by dispelling fear of abortion.

In fact routine early abortion, as a medical process , was not remotely an ordeal, and less so than , say, root canal . Emotionally many find it hard, I was just relieved, and a. It sad that things led me to feel relived. No need to go forcing teens to watch any termination process any more than they (or anyone else) watches any other medical procedure before they have it. All that is needed is to drop the rhetoric and judgemental horror stories.

Yabu

How does showing older teens abortion videos put off younger teens from having one? Or do you just want to make vulnerable young women feel traumatised and guilty?

I really doubt that many women don't know what the procedures depending on what stage of pregnancy the woman is at, will not know what it entails. Doctors are generally inclined to explaining medical procedures... yes absolutely, any procedure is explained. schools with good PSHE will also discuss options so none of the choices should come as a suprise to 'poor uneducated girls' there are lots of teens who choose to have babies and do a bloody good job of it too. who are we to judge their reasons for choosing this option. equally it happens accidently to women and the choices are all out there along with counselling for them to help decide if there is an issue for them. whoever said ambition is the best contraceptive was spot on. educate our young women to expect whatever they want from life and that includes stopping this whole attitude of your life is ruined if you choose motherhood! for some that is a great choice. I agree that showing achievement in work etc and self esteem confidence and aspiration is the way we should be educating and this is happening in good schools. There used to be a group in Birmingham of young mums who used to go out to schools to talk to pupils, male and female, they took the babies and told their stories, and this used to be great as they told the bad bits as well as the good. told it like it really was and that made some of the kids think hard about the choices they were making. showing a video is just a shock tactic that will not work in prevention and will do more harm than good to emotional health of vulnerable girls.

OP I have just written and deleted a long post picking this thread apart in detail, then deleted it.
Your thread title and OP suggests that young people should be MADE to watch videos of abortion. The only abortion that could possibly be filmed as you imply is late surgical. Early medical has nothing to show, late medical is basically labour. Your OP implies shock tactics, which is what showing this kind of thing would be. This also implies a pro life or religious agenda. Other posters picked up on this.
Then subsequently you back tracked. Mentioned support and education. This doesn't need to involve video footage. Information is more than enough.
As for getting personal, I think your response to me was entirely personal. "wilful ignorance"? "not a good enough reason"? This was my personal situation you were referring to.
This whole thread is ill thought out, and badly worded.
If you had said:
"There is not enough information in PHSE about abortion and young people should be given far more information about their choices, their options, where to get support and what happens"
you might have got a little more backing. I would have agreed with you. But your OP was garbled, ill informed, out of date and you subsequently changed your point. You've had nothing more than you deserve.

Reminds me very much of a film about a woman (who already had a family) seeking a termination went to what she thought was an abortion clinic, - they showed her the procedure in ghastly graphic detail to shame her out if it

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that stays with me still, at the time I was a teenager and still felt painfully sorry for her.

Op you have posted one of the most incoherent, rambling, poorly thought out posts I have read in a long time, Sharon would be proud.

People have disagreed with you and the best defence of the waffle you have posted is to backtrack on what you have said, report the post and then start making up complaints about the non existent abuse you haven't suffered.

MN is full of people I don't always agree with, but they're definitely not stupid. Maybe you should remember that.

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Thankyou siliconesally finally a voice of reason.

Crowler, the fact that you were reported by the anti-abortion muppets is not surprising.

That MNHQ deleted you is. And disappointing.

I'm not really sure what the OP is getting at but it would be great if everyone in the world would just talk about their abortions. The one third of women who have had one should just stand up and say so.

I had one. V good decision. I would happily go to a phse class and say that. If it would help any pro-lifers, I'd happily do so alongside them for balance. Just to get it out there and say it how it is.

It's not the people on the thread OP, it's you.

I don't think anyone is being cruel op, just disagreeing with you

Yes, I think you should re-report your own post and ask for it to be reinstated.

Oh dear, OP, that last post of yours just comes across as just a tad unnecessary.

No body is bullying you, no body is being I please nor nasty.

If you can direct me to one then I am happy to be proved wrong.

People here have disagreed with you.

Actually an unpleasant excuse for a human being and a waste of skin and organs is someone who would feel it necessary to emotionally blackmail vulnerable teenagers because they cannot simply fathom that life isn't black and white.

Actually an unpleasant excuse for a human being and a waste of skin and organs is someone who would feel it necessary to emotionally blackmail vulnerable teenagers because they cannot simply fathom that life isn't black and white.

How did unpleasant become I please.

SiliconSally the OP's OP, if it was intended to be reassuring, fell far form the mark.

1, She said pupils should be made to watch a film abortion.

1. She saw the effect as one to make them "less detached" from what abortion entails. She spoke of "seeing that image with their own eyes" - presumably an aborted child.

1. She said she would find it "traumatic" and 'shocking".

1. Bizarrely she concludes that all of this is a worthwhile bit of "discomfort".

In what way is any of this reassuring?

Oops, the bullying accusation has been trotted out. Cue a separate thread in time that complains about how nasty MNers are.

If I am the voice of reason , OP, I am not agreeing that I think showing a termination in PHSE lessons should be compulsory.

Although I can't really think why it should be a secret or hidden. As another poster said, if only people would talk about it, and especially those who feel confident that they made a right choice and do not experience regret .