to think a serving police officer should not have a conviction for D V

[glasgowsteven]

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/cop-jailed-beating-wife-gets-2974444

Self explanatory really

100k in wages, still entitled to a pension, and in law, still a police officer

This topic gets a from you?

Honestly that tells me all I need to know. This thread has been very enlightening.

You still haven't read the link have you.

It quotes the IPCC.

But that's not good enough and you won't even click it.
Any negative commentary about the Sapphire unit isn't worth reading, apparently.

No wonder people don't trust the police, teh attitude on this thread is staggering.

if you are really in law enforcement, it is pretty shitty to see the contempt you hold for us, who you profess to serve. shitty, but unsurprising

i thought the problem with the Tomlinson police officer was that he had a history of being violent and should have been sacked years before. he was allowed to retire from one force then employed by another. he was full of arrogance when he was taken to court because he assumed that he would be found innocent despite the video evidence available. he took it for granted that he should be allowed to do what he wanted without being held accountable. his wife was as arrogant as he.

Nicetabbard calm yourself, of course I've read your links. I've also read the ipcc stuff, many times. It's awful and tragic and there are no good things to say about the whole awful situation. As I have said before several times things could and should have been done better. No one should have died. I am not in charge of the entire police service, I am just one of many. I try my absolute best every day. I am not however going to wear the sins of others,when from your own links it is clear a lot of the whistleblowers were police officers. I don't have the facts to all these cases so I'm not going to wade in without a full understanding of what happened. I have been completely transparent telling you what my job is but you won't even disclose your occupation. Why? I really truly don't understand why? I'm not trying to be goady, honestly I'm not.
Creighton, yes, shocking I totally agree with you but I don't know his wife so I have no idea what that is all about.
Chibi, contempt? Really??? You have really not understood a word I have written. I have complete respect for everyone I meet until they give me reason to feel otherwise.
And this, was for Sherlock and he is fab, so here's another

Rosie

I agree - he was fab. Roll on Sunday!

poor old police service, regularly beset by tragedies, we'll never know why, much less prevent them. never mind, at least we have sherlock!

absolutely grim. if i were part of an organisation which was so regularly implicate in corruption and systemic abuse of power, i might feel ashamed, rather than minimising, dismissing, and cluttering up a thread with grins.

grim.

Nicetabard - i brought up the Daily mail, I didn't say all police read the DM but a hell of a lot have similar view points as the Mail.

Chibi, no one has been dismissive, no one has minimised anything, there has been some heated debate on difficult emotive topics. Everyone on this thread has a valid point of view and everyone that I can see has been at least fair to the other poster even if they don't agree with their point. But you have turned up at the last minute to be deliberately goady judgy and frankly bizarre! I don't feel ashamed, I don't work for the met, I've never killed anyone and I don't feel it's my place to right the wrongs of others! At nobpoint have i tried to excuse, justify or deny any of the awful tragedies that have occurred? read my posts from the beginning! If I was a nurse or a social worker or a teacher or a priest would you say I should feel ashamed because of the many awful scandals that have beset those professions?? Of course not that would be ridiculous! And yes, for some light relief I watch telly! I'm not in front of a parliamentary committee! I'm in my own home chatting to random strangers. How dare you judge me for how I spend my spare time. Yes I watched Sherlock. and guess what, I have just as much right as you to post on a thread. Catch yourself on .

No point!

post what you like, how you like. i reserve the right to find it grim, and call it so.

if you can't see how putting the onus on the public to make police uphold the law, stating it is just a few bad apples, calling news reports inaccurate, and derailling with musings about the rate of dv in other professions is minimising behaviour, then i just don't know. i can't parse that kind of disingenuousness.

I don't think anyone expects all individual police officers to be ashamed of the police.

I just think people would have more confidence in them, if just some individual police officers could honestly acknowledge the systemic nature of the problems in the police, rather than glibly writing them off as a few bad apples.

It's not a few bad apples, it's systemic and that's not just the opinion of a few posters here, it's the findings of several respectable inquiries and reports, as other posters have mentioned.

Chibi, what? I've never mentioned bad apples? No one at all has mentioned the public making the police uphold the law? I'm not sure what on earth you have been reading? You clearly have your own opinion well that's absolutely fine, really, I have no thoughts on that. No thoughts at all. I'm not going to repeat myself again, as you have obviously have no interest in listening to another viewpoint. I'm not trying to say I'm the voice of right, but what I do have is an informed opinion that I have every right to share. But you have no interest in listening do you? And that is the problem.

Actually I wasn't trying to derail the thread with disengenuousness at all . Other posters were stating that a large number of officers violent towards their partners . I merely looked up the freedom of information request on domestic related arrests for Met officers , to see if their claims were borne out. 160 arrests , out of roughly 31000 officers , was the number quoted , of which 126 were unsubstantiated , 5 were discontinued , and 7 were convicted at court . Even if you added the discontinued ones to the ones that made it to court and were convicted that's 4 officers a year . The remainder were pending a result when the request was published . So 4 officers out of 31000 each year , is hardly the large number of officers that other posters were quoting . And as I said at the time of posting EVEN THAT SMALL NUMBER IS TOO MANY . Not quite minimising domestic violence , is it ?

maybe the wives know that they will get little help from the police as the guys all stick together.

there was a report in the metro last year (!) that stated that police officers would not report their colleagues if they knew that they were violent to their partners.

the wife of the Tomlinson officer said that her husband was innocent and that they would be appealing any negative decision about her husband

Well I would . And have . And in fact when I went into work with a black eye following a horse related accident , I was not only taken aside and asked by not one but two inspectors whether there was anything I wanted to tell them (DH also worked there ) but also various male team members asked me if there was anything going on . And they would have arrested him too , but would probably have been dealt with by the DPS . And as for the 'guys' all sticking together ? Well about 30 per cent of those guys , are female . Who don't all stick together . Not any more .

Can you provide a link to the Metro article ? Because if people truly believe that's the case , then that needs to be looked at , and I'll take it into work.

maybe the wives know that they will get little help from the police as the guys all stick together

Rubbish. If my DH assaulted me (both police) then I would be unlikely to report it as he would lose his job and his pension if convicted. I would have no say at all in whether he was charged due to his job making it non-negotiable that he would be charged.

Hardly "sticking together".

And I personally know one officer that was sacked for DV. The officers involved were only too pleased to arrest him

oh and one last point - in my force, if you are arrested, you are taken to a custody centre either as far away from your division as possible or in another force - to prevent your colleagues from being put in a difficult position.
If police staff/officers go to court the investigation may be dealt with by another force, you don't go to court in your policing area and none of your colleagues is allowed to even look at the file - to prevent anything untoward happening.

Plomino you are aware that in the case of DV, all cases are under-reported and more likely to not be taken any further than the first report and/ or first arrest, not just those where a serving police officer is involved aren't you? And that along with rape, DV is one of those areas where the likelihood of a successful conviction is extremely low?

Those figures will be the tip of the iceberg, as anyone working with DV should know.

Presenting them as if we should all relax after all, because look, the figures show there's no problem, rather bears out what people are saying.