to think a serving police officer should not have a conviction for D V

[glasgowsteven]

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/cop-jailed-beating-wife-gets-2974444

Self explanatory really

100k in wages, still entitled to a pension, and in law, still a police officer

Edam - i understand the officers involved in the original Andrew Mitchell incident have been exonerated. The main officer involved is now suing Mitchell, not sure what for, defamation perhaps?

The other idiots who had nothing to do with the actual incident deserved everything they got.

Compos - okay, I give up. You're right I am a complacent, power crazed bully.

You won't ever want my help then?

To answer the OP, no a serving police officer should not have a conviction for DV, or anything else. It sounds like this man has been lucky to take advantage of a loophole, which should not have been able to happen. There is no way he will ever work as a police officer again though, it is just that his sacking has been delayed, which unfortunately means he is still getting paid. I believe if and when he is sacked, he will lose the vast majority of his pension as well.

As far as the police bashing that seems to accompany any article like this, in my experience, police officers are people, just like anyone else. Most are good, most of the time, they all make mistakes, but generally they are trying to do the right thing, under very difficult circumstances. With the current cuts, anyone who does anything even slightly wrong, will be slung out of the job pretty damned quick!

Wrongful arrests are usually due to wrong information being on the police national computer - eg matey previously had bail not to go to debenhams, bail was removed by the court but they haven't informed pnc. So officer smith sees matey in debenhms, runs a pnc check and is told he's arresable for breach of bail.

Wrongful arrests are not generally "lets lock up matey for no reason"

I have to agree with peaz on one thing...sometimes the victims cops deal with ARE as bad as the perpetrators. No ones talking beaten women or victims of mugging etc. I'm talking gang members trying to beat the shit out of police officers while they're trying to deal with the stab wounds he's suffering!

Quite often these make up a great deal of the people/victims they deal with.

Compos, lust for power? paedophiles in every school /care home stereotype much? Next time you go to the local asda just take a look around you will walk past a violent offender, a sex offender, a nurse, a cleaner and yes just maybe a police officer. We don't have two heads or horns. We can be arseholes, we can be kind, we can be white, we can be black,we can be men we can be women, we can be gay straight or bi. In all honesty we can be just like you. But. If you feel that strongly probably best not to call us? Because surprisingly we only ever go where we are invited. I genuinely wish you a happy new year and hope the next police officer you meet restores your faith.

No of course a man convicted of DV should not be working as a police officer.

On the other stuff, I live in London and there is story after story about wrongdoing, illegality, cover-ups, brutality, outright lies, extremely iffy deaths, poor treatment of victims and evidence, and so on and so on, around the Met. Their reputation is shot as far as I'm concerned.

Personally my experiences of the police have been around 50% they were great, 50% they were utter bastards. They are people, the same as everyone else, and some people are right bastards.

I think the majority of police men/women are good people. There are a minority however who do use their position to get away with stuff and I'm talking from experience! A man once spat in my face and tried to hit me so I went for him but was held back by 2 officers and one took it upon himself to pinch and twist the skin on my arms. I gave a statement but the case was closed shortly after with no conclusion. The man who took the statement was lovely however

To clarify I didn't mean all coppers are like that what I should have said was that that profession may attract people who are of a controlling nature and may have a leaning to be perpetrators of abuse IYSWIM.

Although of course a right bastard being in a position of authority and power has a lot more room to exercise the bastardness, which is why right bastards in the police are a real problem.

Nicetabard, I'm maybe guessing but are most of the stories about poor treatment, assault, in the paper and usually with the victims version of events?

Because obviously, the police are unable to respond and there will be no update in the paper when the investigation is complete. But reads badly for the police. I've read an article about me that was no where near the truth!

Peaz sadly yes my sister is a prison officer and it's very similar

Some want to do good however some relish the chance to boss people about and. Get paid for the privilege

No nicknack they are from official enquiries, investigations by the met and outside organisations, police officers being sacked or prosecuted for their conduct and so on.

I would say there is a new case involving either an individual wrongdoer or a more systematic problem within the met every two or 3 weeks lately.

Honestly the Met's reputation is terrible.

Nicetabard- Where do you read the official enquiry reports and the Met's internal investigation conclusions? Where is the list of officers being sacked and prosecuted found?

What new case has come to light in the last two weeks?

BBC and nationals carry the larger ones, BBC London news carries the smaller ones.

From your tone you seem to be sceptical. Why is that?

So you read or watch the filtered summarised versions?

What new case has come to light in the last two weeks?

shiny where have I made any comments about you? You are being wilfully disingenuous and seem unable to brook any criticism of any current or past police officer, without taking it as a slight.

Compos - if you make sweeping statements about police officers I get swept up with everyone else.

Make a specific criticism of individual officers but don't say that all/majority/many police officers are corrupt, bullying racists when it's simply not true.

You are saying that reports on the BBC, and in enquiries by the IPCC, and Met admissions of shoddy work, and having to issue apologies, and all the rest of it, are not to be trusted?

In recent weeks I have read about one policeman being found guilty of sex offences, a finding of inappropriate care of a man in the cells who ended up dead, and another officer being (jailed? sacked? something) for not bothering to follow up / take evidence on women who went to the a Sapphire unit.

I am sure even you can think of some major ones over the years - Jean Charles Menezes, Ian Tomlinson, Jon Warboys, Kirk Reid.

Also the stuff that came out with the phone hacking investigations / Leveson enquiry.

A quick google gave me this from a few days ago met fuck up again although it isn't one I had seen before. So that's another strike against them on my mental list, which I didn't even know about before.

Hope that helps to answer your question.

I mean there's just loads of it, I don't think many people in London trust the police or have much confidence in them. Especially people from certain communities and victims of certain crimes.

No you don't. I was talking about the cops and ex-cops I've met (unless I know you in real life) and no where have I said that all/the majority of coppers wete corrupt bullies.

Stop projecting wildly.

NiceTabard you've made my point. In that article there is no information about what the mistake was because the internal investigation that you don't have access to is still being conducted.

Compos- you sound quite an angry person.

Calmer than you it would seem and when you demean yourself withh silly pasdive aggressive comments like that.

Regardless of any reports of wrongdoing cited here, we can ALL agree, that if you call the police, in a time of crisis, that it's to be expected that the situation will get better.

I've lived in a number of countries where if I, as a woman in need, a foreigner be it holidaymaker or resident, would find that whatever the problem I was facing that warranted (normal) police intervention, had I actually done so, in these countries, my situation would have been made worse, my personal safety and security weakened.

OMG

You read an article like that and that is your response?

You read "Police have admitted a woman might have been spared a rape ordeal but for mistakes made which saw her attacker released." and you say "oh well we don't know what the mistakes were". What difference does it make what they were? The Met have ADMITTED that they made mistakes which left a violent rapist free to reoffend (and not for the first time I might add) and that is what you say?

Mind boggling.

You're a copper you say well that would go some way towards explaining your attitude. You aren't doing the forces any favours here.