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to think a serving police officer should not have a conviction for D V

195 replies

glasgowsteven · 31/12/2013 10:13

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/cop-jailed-beating-wife-gets-2974444

Self explanatory really

100k in wages, still entitled to a pension, and in law, still a police officer

OP posts:
NiceTabard · 31/12/2013 15:30

Hissy the fact that some other countries are worse does not excuse the litany of wrongs committed by the Met.

HissymasJumper · 31/12/2013 16:04

The Met is one part of the police force. It's not ALL police forces, and the things that have come to light are not national.

There have been mistakes, which have been found and admitted, and a commitment to ensuring they aren't repeated.

I'd take that any day against the kinds of policing systems i've seen.

HissymasJumper · 31/12/2013 16:07

Most people in London don't trust the police?

Ffs, how ridiculous!

IneedAsockamnesty · 31/12/2013 16:45

Its easy to accept that certain jobs attract certain criminals why is it so hard to accept one of the jobs that attracts a certain type of person may just so happen to be police officer?

MyPrettyToes · 31/12/2013 17:34

Regardless of any reports of wrongdoing cited here, we can ALL agree, that if you call the police, in a time of crisis, that it's to be expected that the situation will get better.

Speak for yourself. Twice in the recent years I have called fo the police to help me and they have been useless. I was stalked, police were crap and I shouldn't have bothered with them. Earlier this year when massively pregnant a man hurled racist abuse at me and then made a stabbing motion with his hand at my stomach, he actually touched my stomach. The police were not interested. These are just two incidents that have happened to me where the police could and should have helped me they didn't in fact I felt worse after reporting. There is another incident that occurred that was so traumatic and the person who caused it was a bullying policeman. I had to involve my solicitor. I have never committed a crime and I consider myself a good person and a good citizen. I would like to trust the police but I cannot. I like to think that I am just very unlucky. Would I call the police if I needed them? I would think twice and probably not if it was something like assault.

It is interesting reading the posts from police officers on here.

tb · 31/12/2013 17:46

Weird, Cheshire police used to refuse applications for admin roles where people had a speeding offence.

I think any criminal conviction should be a bar to being in the police.

edamsavestheday · 31/12/2013 18:19

A lot of people in London don't trust the police. Sadly. I suspect if you did a poll, you would find a lot of young black men, in particular, don't trust coppers. And plenty of other people too.

NiceTabard · 31/12/2013 18:24

Hissy the Met have not admitted their mistakes and committed to ensuring they aren't repeated.

They have lied and covered-up and tried to wriggle out of culpability, and then eventually when there is no other option for them they have said oh mistakes, lessons learnt and a few months later it happens all over again.

I can't speak for other forces as I tend to follow the news in London, which is where I live. However given that they are the largest force in the UK, with a responsibility for about 8 million people, more during the daytime, to say "oh well it's only one force" when confronted with the atrocious litany of incompetence and lies that they have perpetrated, I don't understand that.

VerySmallSqueak · 31/12/2013 18:35

No a serving police officer should not have a conviction for DV.

Given the handling I've received from police in the past,am I surprised?

No.

sillymillyb · 31/12/2013 18:44

I struggle with this. My ex was a copper, I would have said he was a good decent bloke who liked to help people and did his job in truly awful circumstances. I then discovered he was shagging escorts he met through work, and when I told his senior offices (who I knew) was told to keep quiet as no good would come of reporting it. So I took it higher and reported it again, and after an internal investigation it was decided that using escorts was not illegal, and that as a police officer he was entitled to a private life. So he is still working.

Then there's a friend of his who I loved to bits, she was a fantastic copper I felt, fair and calm and you would want her there in a crisis. Then, when her relationship ended she lost the plot a bit and ended up head butting a woman she had arrested for her own safety (she was threatening to kill herself) she broke the woman's nose and split her lip. Everyone covered for her, and when they eventually looked into it, the CCTV had been destroyed.

There are amazing coppers doing an incredible job, in shit circumstances, and I'm grateful. However, in my experience, they look after their own and that isn't always in the general publics best interests.

perlona · 31/12/2013 18:52

Beating up any person (unless it is in self defence or defence of another) suggests a character not suitable to deal with the public or in any position of power, domestic or not. He should still be allowed to keep the portion of his pension that he paid in for all the years he worked though.

ComposHat · 31/12/2013 18:57

I agree. I don't think it is the corrupt cops per se, if there was transparency and a determination to root them out. What is more pernicious is the culture of cover up and looking after their own and closing ranks.

TapirsCaperWithReindeers · 31/12/2013 18:59

I see that confirmation bias is running rampant across this thread.

Those who have had good dealings with police are seeing a far better side to police to those who have not - and anything posted here is just entrenching those views.

IneedAsockamnesty · 31/12/2013 19:15

Not quite true tapirs, I've had many positive experiences with many police officers I come across several each day,

I've also had many experiences of the wrong sort of person being attracted to the job

Nicknacky · 31/12/2013 19:17

In my (fairly extensive) experience with the police they DONT "look after themselves". I have yet to see a officer commit an offence and have it covered up, and it is impossible in the offices I have worked in to destroy CCTV. Officers don't have access to internal CCTV. I can't speak for all offices obviously.

scottishmummy · 31/12/2013 19:20

No tapirs,as I said in every professional job there will be a dysfunctional few
I don't venerate or demonise professions,I have realistic grounded expectations

AphraBane · 31/12/2013 19:21

In the 1980s my friend's dad was an inspector in a force that was later exposed as one of the worst in the UK for corruption and violence. He gave his wife a black eye and threw my friend down the stairs as a teenager. Once when he was driving us along the motorway at about 95mph he boasted that if he got pulled over for speeding he would just need to flash his warrant card and the traffic cops would doff their caps and let him drive on.

I had sort of assumed (and hoped) that this kind of corruption had been long eradicated - seems not.

higgle · 31/12/2013 19:21

ComposHat - I agree, I used to work in a specialist law firm that dealt with claims against the police and that is always how it starts, using their authority in a way that is not appropriate.

scottishmummy · 31/12/2013 19:25

Working in specialist area,dealing with police misconduct of course you'll get skewed exposure
That in no way makes your experience representative it normative
You must see that

TapirsCaperWithReindeers · 31/12/2013 19:32

I've actually worked in the complaints and discipline section of a british police force - I certainly see that there are far more good police officers than bad apples.

The amount of gross over-generalization on this thread towards police officers wouldn't be put up with on any other subject on MN (apart from the armed forces).

TapirsCaperWithReindeers · 31/12/2013 19:34

Actually, that's pretty badly worded - I should say that the only other subject on MN that is subject to such hyperbole is the Armed Forces.

VerySmallSqueak · 31/12/2013 19:49

It is the powerlessness issue that makes people feel angered and I think it is important that people have a voice somehow and in some way.

If we are not able to speak our own truths and experiences then things will never change.

I've tried so hard not to generalise when dealing with the police,and I will still take an individual officer as I find,but I feel justified in generally not trusting the police force as an institution.

caketinrosie · 31/12/2013 21:44

I have no idea how policing was in the 80s as I was ten years old. I do however have almost twenty years of experience in policing in this decade. I have worked alongside some outstanding men and women who loved their work and would regularly lose precious time with their own families because they felt strongly that they needed to finish the incident they were dealing with. I have been to many police funerals where I saw the pride along side the grief from their families who understood the love their family member had for the job. I know no one is perfect, I'm sure all of us could quote terrible examples of police corruption and awful mistakes and down right incompetence. But I can also quote incredible acts of bravery. Incredible work being done in communities all over the UK. Incredible efforts bring made to support and integrate with young people and minority groups including those organisations who support victims of crime. If all the people who have made comment on this thread feel that this is not the police service that they know, then what are you doing about it? Ever considered becoming a volunteer? Ever considered making a difference? The special constabulary are always recruiting. Try life at the sharp end for just one month. That's all it would take for you to understand the modern police officer. It's easy to complain but why not try and make a difference. I wish all of you a very happy new year x

Sadoldbag · 31/12/2013 21:47

Personally it's not about life at the sharp end it's about being your wife and being a policeman is not compatible end of

Any crime how large or small I don't think you can uphold the law wilest also breaking it

TapirsCaperWithReindeers · 31/12/2013 21:52

Well said Rosie

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