to think a serving police officer should not have a conviction for D V

[glasgowsteven]

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/cop-jailed-beating-wife-gets-2974444

Self explanatory really

100k in wages, still entitled to a pension, and in law, still a police officer

Sadold i don't have a wife I have a husband. I have never broken the law. Re the original post he was fired and an employment tribunal Ordered his reinstatement. Clearly procedures were not followed. They are being followed now. I'm sure if you give it ten minutes he will be fired.

Thanks tapirs!

I find it very frustrating when we all get judged by some random bad apple - and some of the previous posters comments are just breathtakingly awful.

Kudos to you Rosie, and to every serving officer on the boards, for doing such a horrible, difficult, rewarding, difference-making job.

caketinrosie also wish you a very happy new year.

It's encouraging to hear a different side.

I wish that more good could come to the fore. I think the thing is that when you have had bad interactions with the police,they are so much more powerful in making an impression than good interactions.

You acknowledge the cases of incompetence,the mistakes etc - do you feel they are dealt with adequately,or do you too (I am presuming that you are a police officer) feel let down by the way these cases are dealt with?

Verysmall I am a serving bobby, I have seen many officers removed from service either through incompetence or through legal means. I feel the complaints procedure needs a total overhaul. There is too much time wasted dealing with spurious complaints and complaints that should be investigated thoroughly by the ipcc are often sent to the local section sgt to sort out who has neither the time or the resources to do a thorough job. I can hand on heart though confirm I have never known anyone let off when they should have been dealt with. Anyone can make a complaint no matter if it is true or not and it will always be investigated. But until more money is ploughed into this it will remain an area that needs improvement

The police investigate themselves I believe?

Yes and no. If for example an officer is rude or uncivil his supervisor investigates and if confirmed the officer receives management action. If the allegation is more serious ie could lead to dismissal or imprisonment it is investigated by the ipcc who are independent of the police. If a case is found against the officer a file of evidence is sent to the cps to decide what charges the police officer is to be charged with. Anything that would not risk the officers job or is illegal is investigated by supervisors anything else ipcc. All complaints are checked by senior managers and if its not been dealt with well enough it is sent back to do again.

But what are you doing here rosie ? It being New Year's Eve and all ?

I've just got in , having been up since 4am doing a double shift because our civilian colleagues have been on strike . And you know what ? Bollocks to the lot of it . I'm not a paramilitary thug , a bully , a corrupt power crazed loon , an arsehole , or any of the accusations people care to throw at me , alongside the lumps of concrete they chuck from time to time . I'm a middle aged mother of 5 , who joined as a somewhat naive 22 year old in 1994 , after Steven Lawrence was murdered . I was a kid for the miners strike . I had nothing to do with Hillsborough , yet I stand accused of being corrupt due to the actions of others LONG before my time . If you want to follow that it it's logical conclusion , are ALL nurses killers like Beverly Allitt ? Or are all doctors like Harold Shipman ? The actions of some in a profession which roughly 146,000 are doing all the time over 30 plus years of course are going to be open to criticism , and rightly so . We should be getting it right all the time . But no profession is perfect , and not will it ever be if it involves people.

I'm sick of it . Sick of being hung for others mistakes . So this year , I'm leaving . One more highly trained officer , who's never EVER given in to the red mist , who voluntarily has her driving skills tested EVERY year even though she doesn't have to , who has been shot at , stood shoulder to shoulder with her colleagues having everything the good old British public could sling at her , and then slept on a canteen floor for two hours before going out and doing it again, for three nights on the trot , has said 'you know what ? Sod it . I'm not putting my personal driving licence on offer for people who don't give a flying fuck about me , and just think I'm another gold plated pension uniform carrier'. Fuck that . Enough . Oh and by the way ? I've never beaten my husband . He's never beaten me . I have however dragged out plenty of estate agents , bankers , plumbers , tube drivers , carpenters , painters , the odd celebrity , some of the unemployed and yes , a few policeman for domestic violence . And it always ends the same way . In handcuffs . Because there is NO excuse for it , whatever profession you are .

Plomino, annual leave! I feel your pain but we've heard all this before! I'm not going to lose sight of why I worked so hard to get in in the first

Place (damn this phone)
I love my job and I do it despite what people say not because of it. The good guys need to stay because otherwise it will all have been worth nothing. Keep the faith and remember how it felt when you first put on that hat. It means something, what we do means something. Don't give up.

Annual leave . What is that exactly ? Is it something else Teresa May can take off us ?

I'm done with it . I'm actually redoing my HGV medical and getting out . The hell with it .

Mind you I'll still be up at 4am tomorrow , going in to see what the aftermath is of tonight's fun and games .

Well said Rosie and Plomino (well part from the bit about leaving!!)

I honestly don't know why I read these threads, I really don't. Tarred with every brush that people can find.

I had a c-section 4 weeks ago today and less than 2 weeks later I was requested to do a 30 mile round trip to speak to the pf about one of my cases. Due to obvious logistic problems I ended up doing it by phone after having colleagues bring paperwork to my house. How may of you on this thread still have to deal with work with such a young baby?? I imagine not many.

But that is the job we do, despite being as corrupt, abusive and aggressive that we are. Very rarely does it make the headlines when we perform CPR, chase and catch a housebreaker or just submit our paperwork on time.

Now it makes the paper when we get killed or one of us commits a crime. That's just fab.

Nick, plomino, that's why we do it, because we know its right. I'm not going to let anyone stop me doing my job. Lets face it none of us do it for the perks or the enormous wages or the huge benefits to our family life I'm sure we're all slightly unbalanced but I love what I do. Threads like this can make you feel like saying bollocks to it all. But like with any file of evidence the truth is somewhere in between and I know I'm not abusive or aggressive, I know I'm fair and I'm proud to be me. My dh is the same. I get as miffed as anyone with the bullshit but all I have to do is remember the last time someone who really needed me said thank you. Remember the last time a youngster opened a door and gripped onto me and the last time I went home exhausted but knowing I did the right thing. Maybe one day someone will stand up and fight our corner, maybe they won't. I don't really care because I made a difference, and thousands of people just like me, made a difference and tomorrow is another day. Happy new year

TapirsCaperWithReindeers, I agree, and think that people need to realise it is just one bad person FORCED onto the police force, they do not want him, clearly.

(if you are who I think you are, I will never forget your excellent advice re ringing the police)

Mamma

Twas indeed me - how the devil are you?

All good, in spte of silly allegations made against me by the person who took my DD into the bushes. He said I had plastered him all over FB and I would stop him getting a job in the local high school. I hadn't and had two PCSOs as friends who could back me up. It would not have been me that stopped him getting the job, but his reputation as a drug addict.

To answer the OP he should not keep his job and I've no doubt he will be out ice the process has been followed.

I work with the police and have met hundreds of them. The majority joined for the right reasons and do a really hard job. For those who doubt that some victims can be difficult try reading "wasting police time". Basically 95% of the job is dealing with the same 5% of people.

The police do need to get better at getting rid of the minority of crap officers, but I think they are getting better at this.

The generalisations on this thread are upsetting, but if people meet a crap officer at a time when they need help then that is going to colour their views.

Christ this thread is utterly depressing.

If serving officers can brush all of this shit including failure to investigate rape and murder and oh yes committing rape and murder under the carpet... well yes.

Ordinary people come on and say they have had bad experiences, or are disillusioned, or don't trust the police, due to personal experiences and / or what they read on the news and they get told to basically shut the fuck up. This is the whole problem with the police, and no posts on here have done anything to put that aside, they have compounded it.

So instead of talking about how concerned I am about the record the Met has with rape, I must volunteer my time to work for the police, so I GET IT. OK. Well I work full time, my DH works full time opposite shifts, we have two young children, and I am physically disabled. So, erm, no I won't be volunteering for the police any time soon. And on that basis I am not allowed or entitled to form a view of the Met based on a combination of what I read in the news and my own experiences.

Rightyho.

I'm really disappointed TBH. I knew the forces had antipathy towards members of the public - but this is really depressing.

And I'm not sure that however much time I put in as a volunteer I would suddenly say, OK actually what happened with reid and warboys was fine, no probs. And the ones who have been imprisoned sacked for sexually abusing vulnerable women. And the ones in Sapphire who told women to go away / didn't bother taking evidence / told them that they were mistaken as to what had happened. And the single one who wasn't bothering to investigate at all and just wrote on the file case closed with no effort or evidence taken. And the rest. Up to that orpington case where yet again " mistakes have been made", I didn't even know about until I googled tonight.

That is against a backdrop of Brian Paddick saying when he was in charge a report saying the Met had serious failings in rape cases was ordered to be watered down and then put away and never published.

And all the rest of it. Do people on here not read the news for crying out loud. it's just story after story.

Honestly. And then serving police officers come on and say stop it shut up it's all fine don't talk about it go away. No surprises there.

i work in a sector which is in for a certain amount of lambasting and I put my hands up and say yes this is wrong and that is shit and I hope they sort it out, people in the industry are not happy. That's a normal reaction surely. Not this stuff on this thread.

Who is saying shut the fuck up? Certainly not any of us serving officers. We all agree that mistakes have been made and unfortunely will be made as despite everything, sometimes things go wrong.

But there's no convincing you that for every rotten office that gets sacked/jailed there is many, many others who do the job well. Any comments about my example post birth? And that certainly isn't an unusual situation.

You are talking specifically about the met and sapphire and I really can't comment as I don't know enough about the specific cases you are talking about. But needless to say, I can't discuss the many rape cases I have worked on for obvious reasons......

And I really really don't believe everything I read in the news.

there is a problem with how the police handle rape cases and it is systemic. iirc this is why sapphire was set up, but it is problematic as well.

i am a bit bemused by posters who would have it that, there is no point in holding the police service to a higher standard unless we are prepared to serve ourselves, and that we cannot hope for improvement unless we do so.

i think the wholeone rotten apple trope is misguided here, as the potential for harm is so much greater in the police service than in other jobs

one bad hairdresser maliciously fucks up my hair
one bad waiter drops a burger and puts it right back on the plate

one bad police officer beats someone senseless,then covers it up. or when rape is reported, never opens a file. or loses evidence. or plants it. etc etc etc.

the incidence of individuals who are unethical is probably similar across all jobs, but again, the potential to do harm, and the severity ofthe harm is significantly higher in some than in others.

for this reason, some professions, including police, are held to a very high standard by the public

to have those concerns dismissed as 'one bad apple' helps to cofirm a perception that they don't see any problem at all, or feel the need to be overly concerned by it

I've worked along side thepolice for about 19 years. A some are amazing and have done things above and beyond, most are middle of the road, but tend to be abit ignorant, Some are truely nasty bullys.
I have to say some of the homophobic sexist shite I have heard made my toes curl. The poster that mentioned protecting the unscum from the scum definately holds true with a lot of the working culture I saw. Scum were easy to spot and accounted for the long term abuse of some of those poor girls in the abuse trials in Oxford/bradford etc. as those girls were viewed as scum by the police.

I think the police attract quite a lot of daily mail reading types, who then work in a culture that perpetuates those ignorant view points.

I agree with NiceTabard.

I find it depressing but not surprising that the officers on this thread are angry with us, the people who they are supposed to protect, but not expressed anger at their colleagues who have done so much damage.

That an officer can come on this thread and compare the standards to which they are held to a HAIRDRESSER says it all! I mean really?

The police officers on this thread have not done anything to change my views of the police, on the contrary they have further confirmed my view that they are arrogant and very dismissive.

What chibi has written is excellent. The fact that police officers have not acknowledged that they must be held to a much higher standard than a hairdresser tells me that there is no hope.