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...to take a break from family following horrific Christmas?

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newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 12:12

I've name changed for this, partly because I'm usually preaching family tolerance at Christmas, but Godalmighty, I'm now eating my words!

I hosted Christmas this year. Parents (late 70s), sister (single mum of 2 and 3 year old), aunt, uncle and cousin, in our house. DH finds some of my family members a little trying. We have no children of our own, but we have the biggest house.

So as not to drip feed: my mum, as much as I love her, is a terrible control freak and sulker. Those tactics haven't worked on me for a long time, but she will persist with them! My dad just goes along with her to keep the peace. My sister is exactly like my mum, only more so; she could sulk for England, and is rather spiteful with it - any tiny slight, real or imagined, leads to the perpetrator being ruthlessly punished.

Because of my sister's situation, my parents help her loads. She's at their house every weekend, and the kids basically wreck it, drawing on the walls etc. My sister has resisted any kind of discipline and routine, which means that the kids take no notice of her. My mum refuses to say "no" to the children because, she says, "your father and I will be dead soon and we want them to have happy memories of us" and "I just need to nurse [DS] through this".

I've always been generous with my sister. I took her, my parents and the kids on holiday twice this year, since money is a little tight for her and they need an extra able bodied person to run after the kids and take them swimming, etc. Both holidays were trying; whenever I asked the children not to do something, or said, e.g., "no, you can't have any more sweets until you've had lunch", my mum would countermand me in front of them and my sister would sulk and say horrible things. The second occasion was just awful, so I resolved not to do it again.

Anyway, fast forward to Christmas. My sister arrives with a face like a stopped clock and sulks until they left on Boxing day, making a great show of packing the car as early as possible that morning to show that she can't wait to leave. Doesn't lift a finger the entire time, didn't say thank you once despite DH and I having made big breakfasts and lovely Christmas lunch and gone out of our way to make everybody welcome etc. On departure, she said, "well, see you" and stalked out.

My mum was even worse. On Christmas morning she got up and complained bitterly to me about the heating in their bedroom (which they could have altered; the radiator isn't hidden), the fact that the bed was too hard and that the room I'd suggested the children sleep in contained a computer and wireless router "so how can you expect them to sleep with all those flashing lights?"

At Christmas dinner she started telling my husband that there was something wrong with his family because they weren't as close as hers. DH was furious but choked it back.

On Boxing day morning, my mum brought in the kids' new bikes (which DH had spent three hours building on Christmas eve, for no thanks) from the garage, dirty wheels and all from being ridden outside, and let the kids ride them around the house. Cream carpets. DH asked the kids nicely to get off and told them that he was putting the bikes outside, and why. My mum ordered him to bring them back in again! Which he did, after saying that he wasn't used to being ordered around in his own house. I told the kids that they could sit on their bikes in the conservatory, but they couldn't ride them; my mum said, "Oh, let them ride their bikes". I said no, it was my house.

Cue horrendous sulks from my mother, who then deliberately called DH by the wrong name when leaving!

I've just had enough of them. They expect me to go and visit them for a few days over the holidays, which I normally would, but when my dad called I told him that I wouldn't be coming and why.

I feel like my dad is suffering as a consequence, but my mum and sister need to learn that their behaviour is unacceptable.

Am I being unreasonable? Sorry this is so long. It just came spilling out!!

BTW - I've tried sensible discussions with both mum and sister in the past. No go - waterworks, hysteria, I'm going to be dead soon so you must do what I want etc etc.

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FacebookWanker · 30/12/2013 22:37

They sound dreadful and you are an absolute saint...

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 22:44

I think sometimes, home, people can find themselves in situations with certain people where they retreat into themselves. E.g. I like to think of myself as articulate, however when faced with certain relatives I crumble - even if they are shouting at me and my poor DH (I'm currently nc).

Sometimes people can be so conditioned into acceptance that standing up for themselves can be bloody, bloody hard.

Yes, it is very sad indeed that it is so hard to speak out, but sadly that's what some of us are saddled with Sad

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 22:47

Haha! Just re read post, I ain't doing articulate ATM!

secretsofsanta · 30/12/2013 22:51

The more you give the more they want. Have a break and stop being so nice. The only bit i dont think ds is ur about is not doubg a thing, she probably does need a break?

blahe · 30/12/2013 22:52

I have been on MN for several years and I am STILL astounded by the way people treat their friends and relatives and THINK IT'S OK!!

I am also equally astounded by how the relative/friend in question (normally the OP) lets them treat them that way and continue to let them.

For the sake of MY sanity PLEASE OP make a stand against these people - before it becomes a problem between you and your DH. I can only imagine how much money you have spent on them - money that could have been put towards your own medical needs.

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 22:58

Home, I have shared some of my feelings with them in the past. This is where it has got me:

Crying and saying that she'd have a breakdown if I resisted doing exactly what my sister wanted (mother).

Telling me that I'm a horrible person who always spoils holidays (sister).

Being told that my parents are too old to be upset and that I should "give them some leeway" (mother)

Saying, "all we gave ever done us love you" (mother)

Being told that I have no right to say no to the children, because I don't know anything about them and I'm not one of the important people in their lives (sister); this is despite the fact that I'm my nephew's godmother and was the first person to hold my niece when she was born!

So you can see that a boxing day showdown wasn't at the top of my list of priorities.

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newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 23:00

The inarticulacy curse has struck again: should say, "all we have ever done is love you"!

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ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 23:06

Often those who are stuck with abusive people in their lives suffer from FOG - fear, obligation, guilt. This prevents us from cutting ties and standing up for ourselves, often to prevent rocking the boat. The result is that the "victim" (for want of a better term) continues to be passive and subservient.

Newyear, have you seen the stately homes thread? It might help.

Nanny0gg · 30/12/2013 23:07

Dreadful emotional blackmail.

Step away for a while. Save your money for DN for when they're older and they'll need it.

Don't let them treat you this way because the next step on you not falling into line will be them withholding the children from you anyway.

breatheslowly · 30/12/2013 23:08

You can stop spoiling their holidays by not paying for them in the first place.

Preciousbane · 30/12/2013 23:09

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RubyRR · 30/12/2013 23:10

Has anyone mentioned the book toxic parents? May be worth a read. You could still continue the relationship with your niece and nephew by taking them out, they are getting to an age where that should be easier, you could have the fun without all the hassle, but do it by choice nd prearranged events not to be used. You sound great and very level headed I think you just need to think of yourself a bit more.

starlight1234 · 30/12/2013 23:13

I think the my house my rules applies..Sounds like a house full of kids with no manners...yes you deserve a holiday

zzzzz · 30/12/2013 23:17

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MrsWilliamBodie · 30/12/2013 23:23

Telling me that I'm a horrible person who always spoils holidays (sister) and I'm not one of the important people in their lives (sister)

sounds like your sister is projecting a lot of her own issues onto you.

You sound like a lovely person - perfect sister material.

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 23:30

Thanks everybody, and I will look at the stately homes thread.

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ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 23:34

Don't be afraid to come onto mn for support. If you start reading stately homes, be prepared to feel like scales are falling from your eyes. Personally, I've even found lurking to be a bit of an emotional roller coaster.

CrapBag · 30/12/2013 23:51

Wow! I wouldn't pay for a single thing for these ungrateful bastards ever again, or lift a finger to help. They are appallingappalling, vile people.

Op, you sound lovely, I would love to have a sister like you. Not close to either one of minemine, its a shame yours doesn't appreciate what she has. I suspect she's jealous of you and your mum doesn't like the fact that you are the apple of your dads eye so she puts you down more and your sister on some sort of pedestal.

I would have as little to do with them as possible and just invite your poor suffering dad over, leave them to sulk together.

ThatVikRinA22 · 30/12/2013 23:54

you are not going to win with this lot - step away and let them stew - they will realise what they were getting out of the relationship perhaps when they dont have it anymore.

you sound like you are striving and striving for their love, thanks? approval??
you are not going to get it. i speak from experience. i come from an abusive miserable past, and i tried so hard to "win" my family over by showering them with the things i thought they would like.
their response was often "meh" and i would feel hurt.
then i stopped.
i stopped trying. i stopped seeing them. i stopped having panic attacks and stopped justifying my existence to them. my choices. my DH. my kids.
that was 13 years ago and the relief i felt was overwhelming. i dont know why it felt so hard or took so long.
my family cant be what i want them to be - they are incapable of kindness or humanity.
i accept that now. it took a good 30 odd years though.

ohfourfoxache · 31/12/2013 00:02

Please listen to vicar, she is very wise

Electryone · 31/12/2013 00:16

Im still chuckling at riding dirty blokes on your carpet - sorry! Grin

As for everything else - vicarsums it up in a nutshell.

ThatVikRinA22 · 31/12/2013 00:22

now.... if it were riding dirty blokes on the carpets i could make an exception! Grin

wishing you well OP.
and thanks guys - not that wise really - just do a good impression....

ohfourfoxache · 31/12/2013 00:30

In that case you have fooled a lot of people for a lot of years vicar!

timidviper · 31/12/2013 00:47

Quite often OP, I read things on here and think "Hmm, there's possibly another side to this story" but, if there is one here, I really can't see it! Your family do not deserve you

I would back off from them as others have suggested and, if you do allow them to have contact with you in future, do it on your terms and maybe keep more of a distance

bringbacksideburns · 31/12/2013 00:47

She sounds so like my mother!! She also describes me as 'cold' when i dare to stand up to her. They'd get on like a house on Fire OP. My mum is used to ruling the roost and having people pussy foot around her a lot and i also have a very lovely but ultimately weak dad.

When you do all these things are you thanked or is it expected? I think i would be slowly disengaging and learning to say No more to them.

You do sound like a fab sister.