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...to take a break from family following horrific Christmas?

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newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 12:12

I've name changed for this, partly because I'm usually preaching family tolerance at Christmas, but Godalmighty, I'm now eating my words!

I hosted Christmas this year. Parents (late 70s), sister (single mum of 2 and 3 year old), aunt, uncle and cousin, in our house. DH finds some of my family members a little trying. We have no children of our own, but we have the biggest house.

So as not to drip feed: my mum, as much as I love her, is a terrible control freak and sulker. Those tactics haven't worked on me for a long time, but she will persist with them! My dad just goes along with her to keep the peace. My sister is exactly like my mum, only more so; she could sulk for England, and is rather spiteful with it - any tiny slight, real or imagined, leads to the perpetrator being ruthlessly punished.

Because of my sister's situation, my parents help her loads. She's at their house every weekend, and the kids basically wreck it, drawing on the walls etc. My sister has resisted any kind of discipline and routine, which means that the kids take no notice of her. My mum refuses to say "no" to the children because, she says, "your father and I will be dead soon and we want them to have happy memories of us" and "I just need to nurse [DS] through this".

I've always been generous with my sister. I took her, my parents and the kids on holiday twice this year, since money is a little tight for her and they need an extra able bodied person to run after the kids and take them swimming, etc. Both holidays were trying; whenever I asked the children not to do something, or said, e.g., "no, you can't have any more sweets until you've had lunch", my mum would countermand me in front of them and my sister would sulk and say horrible things. The second occasion was just awful, so I resolved not to do it again.

Anyway, fast forward to Christmas. My sister arrives with a face like a stopped clock and sulks until they left on Boxing day, making a great show of packing the car as early as possible that morning to show that she can't wait to leave. Doesn't lift a finger the entire time, didn't say thank you once despite DH and I having made big breakfasts and lovely Christmas lunch and gone out of our way to make everybody welcome etc. On departure, she said, "well, see you" and stalked out.

My mum was even worse. On Christmas morning she got up and complained bitterly to me about the heating in their bedroom (which they could have altered; the radiator isn't hidden), the fact that the bed was too hard and that the room I'd suggested the children sleep in contained a computer and wireless router "so how can you expect them to sleep with all those flashing lights?"

At Christmas dinner she started telling my husband that there was something wrong with his family because they weren't as close as hers. DH was furious but choked it back.

On Boxing day morning, my mum brought in the kids' new bikes (which DH had spent three hours building on Christmas eve, for no thanks) from the garage, dirty wheels and all from being ridden outside, and let the kids ride them around the house. Cream carpets. DH asked the kids nicely to get off and told them that he was putting the bikes outside, and why. My mum ordered him to bring them back in again! Which he did, after saying that he wasn't used to being ordered around in his own house. I told the kids that they could sit on their bikes in the conservatory, but they couldn't ride them; my mum said, "Oh, let them ride their bikes". I said no, it was my house.

Cue horrendous sulks from my mother, who then deliberately called DH by the wrong name when leaving!

I've just had enough of them. They expect me to go and visit them for a few days over the holidays, which I normally would, but when my dad called I told him that I wouldn't be coming and why.

I feel like my dad is suffering as a consequence, but my mum and sister need to learn that their behaviour is unacceptable.

Am I being unreasonable? Sorry this is so long. It just came spilling out!!

BTW - I've tried sensible discussions with both mum and sister in the past. No go - waterworks, hysteria, I'm going to be dead soon so you must do what I want etc etc.

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NomNomNom · 30/12/2013 20:06

You sound lovely and very generous and helpful towards your bonkers family, but seriously! A Phil&Teds pushchair, holidays, nursery fees, arranging flats, paying deposit!! Don't you think that's a bit much?! Why couldn't you let the exH arrange his own place? What's it got to do with you? All of these things - why??!! Just let you sister organise her own life and pay for it. I'm sure it would be nice for you niece & nephew to go on days out with you, but that is enough.

Surely building their new bikes is a job for their parents.

I think you need to question what you get out of this. They are not your children, and it sounds as if you've been taking over to such a great extent that if I were your sister I would feel sidelined in my own children's lives. Although she doesn't have to accept.

Just take several steps back.

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 20:17

Thanks. Here are the answers:

Ex husband isn't British and couldn't stump up the cash for a deposit. Nor was he making any effort to find a flat. Sister claimed that she would have a nervous breakdown if he didn't move out. Parents consequently in state of nervous collapse and expected me to fix it.

Bought the buggy because she couldn't afford one but clearly needed one.

Holidays because I wanted the children to have a holiday.

Nursery fees because sister wanted to go back to work part time but couldn't afford child care.

Bikes: ex husband not around to build them, actually quite complicated to build, too much for my sister and parents (whose present the bikes were), so DH kindly agreed to do it.

I don't feel that I've been taking over. I was asked for help, and I gave it.

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scottishmummy · 30/12/2013 20:21

Up to you to decide the line,and this time they've crossed it
You do sound v accommodating,just be comfortable in doing so
Ignore their calls let em stew

DustBunnyFarmer · 30/12/2013 20:32

I also think you come across as a very genuine and nurturing person, so I hope you will take this in the spirit it is intended.

If you look at the dynamics in your family, you sound very much like the parent whilst your mother and sister sound like petulant children. They depend on you to sort things out for them, but they also massively resent their dependence on you. Your Dad - well, he may be a nice man but he's neither an effective parent or a particularly effective husband. He sounds like he is the obedient child to your mother if he defers to her so easily. I know how good it can feel to be needed and feel like you are helping people, but you also need to think why you are so involved in the life of your family & what's going on. The level of involvement you have in your sister's life sounds a bit unhealthy and, more importantly, infantilises her. Where's the motivation to pull her finger out as an adult and as a parent when you keep swooping in & sorting everything out?

I have had to learn how to step back from my family and stop being the fixer/parent. In your shoes, I would be asking myself some searching questions about what you gain from the asymetric relationship you have with your family. Is it that you gain esteem from feeling needed?

I also think lots of posters with unfucked up families are being a bit Pollyanna about taking your Dad away on his own, just the two of you. There's no fucking way your mum will tolerate it & I'm willing to bet he would choose her over you if she makes him choose (which she will). The man has been deferring to her for a quiet life for quite some time, by the sound of things. If you start to set boundaries for your mum & sister, do not be surprised if things get harder between you & your dad.

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 20:34

I don't think you've "taken over" at all - you've had to sort everything out for everyone when things have gone tits up.

Time to back away slowly and, as scottishmummy says, let em stew

DustBunnyFarmer · 30/12/2013 20:39

Parents consequently in state of nervous collapse and expected me to fix it.

OP, I'm afraid your parents have shuffled you into the parent role, but their expectations on you are totally unfair. With your sister, if she couldn't afford to return to work, that should not have been your problem - it was for her to sort out cheaper child care, different working hours, tax credits, whatever - or wait til they started school & manage on benefits like lots of other lone parent families do. She needs to live the life she finds herself in, instead of being bailed out every 5 minutes.

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 20:41

Seems like the more you do the more you're expected to do

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 20:42

Yes, dust bunny, I think you are probably right! I've been the grown up of the family for a long time.

The "you'll regret not doing [insert name of helpful act here] when we're dead" argument is, I'm sorry to say, quite effective on me.

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eddielizzard · 30/12/2013 20:43

i think you need to say no for a bit and they'll soon realise what that will mean to their general well being. your poor dad.

any chance of seeing him on his own every now and then?

DustBunnyFarmer · 30/12/2013 20:55

Yes, dust bunny, I think you are probably right! I've been the grown up of the family for a long time.

But who is there for YOU when you need a parent? I'm guessing your very supportive and tolerant husband is your safe harbour. It's so unfair, as it seems like it's all one way traffic for you. I really feel for you, as you sound like a very kind, thoughtful person. They really don't deserve you!

TalkativeJim · 30/12/2013 21:15

They simply don't have the slightest bit of respect for you, they don't even see you as a separate adult person. The only way to change that dynamic is to pull away, to start doing your own thing and to STOP taking them into account at all.

Their breathtaking attitude to your financial support is simply explained. They resent the reality -that you have the finances, they don't - and so your mother has simply decided to see your money as a family resource. A bit like her having the right to help herself to her child's money box contents...you're only her daughter, what's yours is kind of hers because without her, you wouldn't be here! Etc.

Your sister's resentment of the inequality between you sees her only too happy to embrace this strange dynamic. So to them it's not really 'your' money that's taking the children on holiday and buying presents- it's the family pot. In fact, your only role is as an irritant -how annoying that the money sits in YOUR bank account and they have to go through YOU to organize their holidays and Christmases!!

It's totally fucked up, and you've allowed it to develop - you must STOP being their doormat. This is easy, as of course all you actually have to do is withdraw. Holiday? 'I don't think any of us enjoyed last time. Let's not do it again.' DM - 'so you will STOP the children going on holiday...' You- pause...'So it's completely taken for granted that I should spend our money financing your holiday, even if I don't want to go? And you're accusing me of being money-obsessed?'

Just withdraw.

Annonynon · 30/12/2013 21:16

Newyear the 'you'll regret it when I'm dead' thing is a bit of a red herring, none of us know how much time we've got left, and shouldn't they also be worrying about being awful to you should anything happen? Why do you get all the guilt and obligation?!

My grandmother is an absolute nightmare, she's also in her late nineties and in good health. She had been using that trick with my mum for over thirty years now! She's had approx 35 'last christmas days' Grin

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 21:27

Thank you ladies. Very insightful.

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ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 21:28

Just following on from TJ -might be a bit off the wall but they have clearly been shitty with the person in your life who arguably respects you the most, your DH. Is it possible that they don't feel that you are worthy if respect? As in, fuck it, we'll be horrible to him too because it simply doesn't matter? Hmm

Sorry, don't mean to bring you down further Blush

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 21:33

My mum doesn't like him, Fox, because he won't do as he's told!

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MissDuke · 30/12/2013 21:43

I think you are lovely. You should be very proud of your OH for putting up with it too - he clearly really loves you!!! You definitely need to step away. Please try and not give in next time they ask for something.

Good luck with everything, especially ttc xx

DustBunnyFarmer · 30/12/2013 21:44

I like mr newyear better with every post, OP - sounds like a keeper.

Clutterbugsmum · 30/12/2013 21:45

He doesn't have to do as he told he is an adult, as are you.

As adults you disscuss things, I'm sure you don't tell you dh to do things. You ask, you disscuss then you make a decision.

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 21:46

Then it might be time for you and DH to barricade yourselves in! They sound like bloody shockers, you're both long overdue heartfelt apologies.

It isn't just you being so kind helping your family out, but by extension your DH is too. And your mum has the audacity to think that he has to obey her? Fuck that!

HowlingTrap · 30/12/2013 21:52

Riding muddy bikes indoors on cream carpets! I winced when I read that.

you did nothing wrong.

HOMEQCRICH · 30/12/2013 21:56

How very articulate you are, but you couldn't say anything about their behaviour? Hmm

YouTheCat · 30/12/2013 22:04

Home, what's your point?

OP has already said that saying anything results in histrionics and trouble for her father.

ohfourfoxache · 30/12/2013 22:06

Sorry home, can you explain? I don't get it......

newyeartempname · 30/12/2013 22:13

Do you mean, I didn't challenge them whilst they were at our house?

If so, then I didn't want to make things worse - upsetting the kids, and my aunt, uncle and cousin, who were also present. Also, when my mum and sister are in sulky histrionics mode, there's no point trying to have a sensible conversation!

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HOMEQCRICH · 30/12/2013 22:24

Why does it have to be a 'challenge' ? You just seem so reasonable and articulate I know we all have our' I wish I had said something' moments I just find it a little upsetting for want of a better word that you can't share with them at least a little bit of how you are feeling.
you say you have name changed as you are usually preaching family tolerance. I haven't name changed.