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absentmindeddooooodles · 11/12/2013 16:55

My ds is 2.9. He goes to the nursery down the road one day a week. ( cannot afford for him to go any more regularly) just to get socialised and to try and work on seperation anxiety. velcro child syndrome

Went to pick him up today and was met by three of the nursery workers "wanting to have a talk".

This got me really worried as they looked very....strict. like I was being bloody told off.

To cut a long story short....they told me that as my son is still in nappies I would have to think about taking him out of nursery until the problem is sorted!! ( problem him not being potty trained)

They talked for a good ten mins about how its an inconvenience to them having such a big boy needing constant monitoring incase hes done a poo.

I didnt want to get into an argument and never would infront of all the kids, but did put across a couple of points:
. He is in "the baby room" as they call it. Babies from birth to 3 years. There are fewer older toddlers than babies....so I imagine they should be all set up forpchanging nappies.
.theybe never said anything to me before about him being in nappies being an issue. I have even had discussions with his keyworker about the favt that I had tried potty training him but he got a v bad bout of chicken pox right in the middle of it so we have gone back to square one.
. I dont personally think he's too old to be in nappies. He's not 3 until april and as long as he isn't rocking up to his first day of school in pampers Its fine.
. He is currently undergoing a diagnnosis for adhd and possibly as. It's bloody hard enough to get through the day without making him do something hes not ready to.

Their response to all the above was that he is more than old enough to be using a toilet and by him not doing this its taking time away from the babies who actually need looking after!!!!!

Out of the three of them who spoke to me....the youngest one ( about 16 on placement) told me it was disgusting to have to clean up a fully grown childs poo!

Im reeling and actually v embarassed as there were quite a few other parents round while this was going on.

Now I know ianbu to not be impressed with the way this was dealt with......but aibu to not have potty trained him by now?

Should he be totally out of nappies by this age? This is my first dc and moat friends dc are younger thn mine. A family member had their dd totally dry through the night by 2.5....but all kids are different.....surely its down to the individual?

Im sorry this has been so epically long...but am at a loss!
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absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:31

Im allowed to strangle her right..........?

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absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:32

Sorry about typos. Am too angry to spell check

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tracypenisbeaker · 12/12/2013 15:35

PROFESSIONAL OPINION!

BornOfFrustration · 12/12/2013 15:36

What the fuck are they playing at? I have no advice because we haven't used a nursery yet ( can't really afford or justify at the mo) but I can't believe how this is going. Strangle her? I'd use her as a bat to hit the other two with Grin

TheWanderingUterus · 12/12/2013 15:40

Dd is almost 9 and still gets food all over her top and face and doesn't do what she is told all the time.

How can a 16 year old have a professional bloody opinion, let alone in a subject she must only have limited experience of given her age. And the allegations she makes are absolutely shocking and show how stupid and malicious she is. It's terrifying that they expect children this young to do what they are told all the time, DD often still needs three or four bellows increasingly loud reminders to do stuff.

Squiffyagain · 12/12/2013 15:40

Do they not have CCTV? If so I'd email them and tell then to please ensure they do not erase any of it as doing so would be an admission that they were lying and they will need video evidence to prove their position to Ofsted.

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:42

Fucking hell ive never wanted to give anyone a piece of my mind fist more in my life.

Stupid thing is we cant afford nursery either. Ds dad is payimg for it as it was recommended by the pediatrician to help with his behavioural issues. ( hes bloody good as gold when hes there accorsing to his old keyworker)

And professional opinion my arse. 16 fucking years old.The cheek!!!

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TheWanderingUterus · 12/12/2013 15:42

FFS 'disturbing' WTF is wrong with the stupid girl. I am so angry for you and your poor DS who was exposed to this frankly dangerous and outdated thinking.

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:46

Yy to food on the face etc. Just two wewks ago he was being praised because he never needs help with his food. Hes totally independant with it......just have a wetwipe handy at the end!!!

Allegations that im not looking after my son properly really fucking hurt. Im by no means perfect. I strugfle big time with him not sleeping and never standing still as well as the meltdowns. But hes loved and looked after and im doing the bloody best I can!

With an allegation in writing will ss get involved? Ive heard horror stories and although im 100% confident that they will find nothing of convern I dont want any disruption for ds. Will rexords from paediatricians home visits help?

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StealthPolarBear · 12/12/2013 15:47

Fuck yes strsngle her

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:47

Theres cctv in the hallway. Only know as you can see the camera.

Im kicking myself for having left him with these idiots. I agonised over where to send him. I thought I was dojng the right thing. What else has he been exposed to?!?!

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McPie · 12/12/2013 15:48

OMG that last statement is just beyond words! What a jumped up statement from a 16 year old, (that's even if it came from her!) professional opinion my arse!
Do not reply to them again until you have spoken to Ofsted, they are running scared and are trying to intimidate you now.
Do not give up on this and take them to the cleaners please, you have the might of mumsnet behind you.

Spaulding · 12/12/2013 15:50

That girl's statement! Shock

What the actual fuck? "Professional opinion"?! She's a 16yr old college student on placement! She's not a professional anything yet! I can't believe they sent that statement to you. They're digging themselves a deep fucking hole!

Have you called OFSTED yet OP?

PiratePanda · 12/12/2013 15:56

Ofsted, now. Don't engage with them anymore. They are definitely in the wrong and their utterly misguided email statements prove it.

FWIW my highly articulate, bright, NT 3.6 DS still gets food all ovet his face, and was in nappies until 2.9. He still occasionally has wee accidents, and nursery are absolutely fine about that because it's NORMAL.

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:56

Keyworker statement.

Yesterday when mrs doodles came to collect ds I quietly asked her if we could have a word regarding her sons toilet habbits.
I calmly explained that he messes his nappy numerous timea a day and it was not acceptable to have to keep dealing with this as it takes my attention away from the other xhildren too often. At the age of almost 3 he should be potty trained so the impact on staffs time is reduced.
Mrs doodles became hostile and I was concerned for the other childrwn in her care, not to kention her own child that she was holding at the time who was visibly upset by this.
I called over my manager to assist with the conversation but mrs doodles was in he end asked to leave as she was not taking our constructive suggestions well.
Ds is very behind in alot of ways. In my proffessional opinion I think he is autistic as I have worked with alot of children with the same thing. He is messy at mealtimes and does not share with the other children inthe room.
He is unaware that he is not allowed to hold the small babies as he will hurt them. This is not right for a child of almost 3. I have spoken to mrs doodles about toilet training before and she seemed unconcerned that leaving him in nappies is unhigenic.
Yes there are children older than him still in nappies here....but they have additional needs including being premature at birth.
My student has also noticed aome thi gs that are not satisfactory. Ds came into nursery wearing leggins last week. Navy blue girls leggins. I do not rhink this is appropriate for a male child. It is blurring the lines between gender issues.
Overall I was very intimidated by mrs doodles and feel that ds would be better off out of our nursery environment.

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absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 15:57
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BlousyMumsyTwat · 12/12/2013 15:58

I'm 40 and I still get food on my clothes. Blush

OP - they are all ARSEHOLES! Absolute ARSEHOLES! I'm angry on your behalf and tbh I normally think people are mostly BU!

BlousyMumsyTwat · 12/12/2013 15:59

#genderbenderleggings

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 16:00

Dp still not home so cant ring offsted yet. Hurry uuuuuuuppppp!!

Cant wait to see what else they can come up with.

I havnt engaged with them since telling tham I will take it further. Tjese are the statements coming through as I requested earlier.

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Spaulding · 12/12/2013 16:00

OMFG. That last statement is just... there are no words.

And she contradicts the other statement which said they saw keyworker feeling intimated so stepped in. This one says she asked for assistance.

And prematurity has fuck all to do with potty training. My son was over 8 weeks prem and was potty trained at 2yrs 4 months old. Sounds like they are a right uneducated bunch when it comes to children.

MrsWickens · 12/12/2013 16:01

So she thinks your child is autistic but he needs to be out of nappies as it is unhygienic but other children older than him are in nappies but that's ok because they have additional needs.

And how is wearing girl leggings blurring the lines between gender issues. Are leggings not trousers?

These statements are just weird!

absentmindeddooooodles · 12/12/2013 16:01

Im going to dress him in pink sparkly shit and parade him past the windows I think

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Heartbrokenmum73 · 12/12/2013 16:01

OP, make sure you print a copy of everything for yourself. Keep the slips from nursery to hand too - those are fantastic evidence to show that the 'pooing 4 times a day' is nonsense.

I would also second not contacting the nursery again (although it's wonderful to see how they keep digging themselves deeper with every email they send you). Please contact Ofsted now as a priority. You also need to contact the college where the student is studying and speak to her Tutor immediately - they need to see her statement!

I am beyond angry and appalled that not only has this happened but that they are now lying and colluding to get this covered up. The fact that they are trying to bully you into going away is unbelievable.

I have no words for the 'professional opinion' of the placement student. She should never be allowed near small children again as far as I'm concerned. She has the nerve to talk about 'learnt behaviour' Shock

Spaulding · 12/12/2013 16:02

And how fucking dare she diagnose your child with autism? Just because she's been around autistic children before doesn't make her a bloody Dr! I'm so angry for you!

tracypenisbeaker · 12/12/2013 16:02

Oh my actual god. I don't know where to begin... 'In my professional opinion I think he is autistic as I have worked with alot of children with the same thing.'

'My student has also noticed aome things that are not satisfactory. Ds came into nursery wearing leggings last week. Navy blue girls leggins. I do not think this is appropriate for a male child. It is blurring the lines between gender issues.'

Ofsted are going to have a bloody field day with this. You can tell the 'statements' were written by the same person as well- 'In my professional opinion,' and the word 'hostile' used by two of them Hmm