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To think psychics are all fakes?

684 replies

LambinsideaDuckinsideaTrout · 11/12/2013 08:33

I don't like that they take peoples money when they are in a vulnerable place, lost loved ones etc. It's immoral. Just my opinion.

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AnAdventureInCakeAndWine · 11/12/2013 10:08

The James Randi Educational Foundation offers a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions (all tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant), evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. No one's managed it yet.

lottieandmia · 11/12/2013 10:09

Can any of you prove you love your children? You can't but you believe it so you know it to be true.

curlew · 11/12/2013 10:09

Why do you think that, Lottie?

LaRegina · 11/12/2013 10:09

Actually though, I have to say that I do believe there is a bit of woo out there. I've personally seen woo things that I can't explain, so I think there could be 'something'. But I don't believe there are certain people who have a 'gift' to communicate with the deceased.

Gileswithachainsaw · 11/12/2013 10:10

So I believe. What harm does that do. I have an interest in something that you don't believe so what? I find the books about these things very interesting. I don't believe every story and I don't believe every picture but the go dept of many things I do. I don't hurt anyone with my beliefs and being open minded about these things doesn't hurt anyone. I refuse to believe that what Has been seen is all there is.

curlew · 11/12/2013 10:11

"Can any of you prove you love your children? You can't but you believe it so you know it to be true."

True. But bring me any psychic and I can prove to you that he/she is deluded or a fake.

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine · 11/12/2013 10:12

I'm reasonably sure that with brain scans these days you could prove that you loved your children, by showing which parts of the brain light up when you were shown an image of them.

lottieandmia · 11/12/2013 10:13

A brain scan will not prove a feeling though.

HettiePetal · 11/12/2013 10:13

There are many many things that scientists don't know or haven't discovered yet about the human body

I never know why people say stuff like this. We don't make conclusions based on things that aren't known, only things that are.

Science knows that if you mess with a brain, you mess with the personality of a person. Unquestionably. You can take away a person's ability to even recognise their own wife or children.

In the light of this knowledge, how does it make any sense at all that, when a brain is completely destroyed - either by decomposition or cremation - the personality emerges from the other side with every memory intact?

If it's because there's a soul, why doesn't the soul step up to fill in the blanks for a damaged brain?

The only sensible conclusion we can reach is that the brain is the seat of the personality - when it's gone, the personality is too.

Pretty stunning evidence would have to arise for the conclusion to change. And in spite of hundreds of years of solid research, not the tiniest scrap has been found.

It is remarkably silly to believe that people can talk to the dead - or even that the dead exist to be talked to.

And why do they never talk to scientists, by the way?

ANormalOne · 11/12/2013 10:13

You can believe what you like, assert it as the truth with nothing but 'it's what I believe' to back it up, don't expect people to take you seriously.

Gileswithachainsaw · 11/12/2013 10:14

Reasonably sure?

You have no more proof of that than I do of the things I believe.

Whether it's more likely is merely your opinion. As I have an opinion of the existence if things outside what many consider normal.

HettiePetal · 11/12/2013 10:20

Can any of you prove you love your children?

I can.

I say so. First hand testimony. Evidence one.

Evidence two ......love is an emotion. Emotions are evident to other people through behaviour. We know enough about human behaviour to have a pretty solid idea of how love is expressed through actions.

If I had to prove in a court of law that I love my son, I could. I could present evidence from eye witnesses, of my actions over the past 17 years. A court would reasonably conclude that I love my son.

Are any of you truly saying that your children have no evidence that you love them? Honestly?

People with no evidence that they are loved have very shit childhoods.

100% proof? No. Pretty solid nonetheless.

Misspixietrix · 11/12/2013 10:20

but I find Sweden Brown absolutely fascinating! Grin. I agree that some are genuine and then you have the right fraudsters. I genuinely had someone turn around to me on the bus on the way home and start talking to me and telling me random things she couldnt possibly have known. Then I have a certain family member who claims to be a physchic. Not even going to say what his last 'contribution' fee was. Hmm.

Gileswithachainsaw · 11/12/2013 10:21

I doubt we all got to the ages we are now having not already made up out minds about these things.

You can't prove they don't exist 100% any more than I can prove they do.

No one would have changed there minds just because I said I believe in it. You already posted her saying you didn't.

Maybe one day they will prove it one way or the other who knows.

Misspixietrix · 11/12/2013 10:21

Sweden brown? SWEDEN! Derren obviously. Up yours autocorrect!

AnAdventureInCakeAndWine · 11/12/2013 10:23

Well, no. Because (and I know this will shock you) I'm not actually a neuroscientist . Based on articles I've read about things that have been shown in brain scans and about how different parts of the brain are involved in "love"-type relationships it seems very plausible that that would work, hence I say I'm "reasonably sure". Not "I believe". I don't "believe" it would work; on the basis of the evidence of which I, as a non-specialist, am aware I think it is the most likely position. I'm not particularly invested in that conclusion.

If I really needed to know and wasn't just arguing with a random stranger on the Internet I could approach a neuroscientist and ask, and they would have, or be able to produce, clear evidence one way or the other as to whether it would work.

Can you do that with the things you believe?

mrsjay · 11/12/2013 10:24

Grin SWEDEN BROWN

HettiePetal · 11/12/2013 10:26

You can't prove they don't exist 100% any more than I can prove they do

Worst.
Logic.
Ever.

scottishmummy · 11/12/2013 10:27

Can you prove I love my weans?yes I do can demonstrably do so.and by universally accepted outcome measures
Let's see
Regard
Compassion
Adequate food
Safe environment
Their subjective account
Liaison with school
Encourage opinion and interests

It's quite easy to prove you love your kids

HettiePetal · 11/12/2013 10:28

Absolutely, scottishmummy.

ANormalOne · 11/12/2013 10:29

You can't prove they don't exist 100% any more than I can prove they do

You can't prove I don't have the ghost of Micheal Jackson living in my fridge and giving me cooking tips.

It's not up to us to prove they don't exist, the burden of proof is on those claiming they DO exist, to prove that they do.

Gileswithachainsaw · 11/12/2013 10:29

Why would I need to consult anyone. You either believe or you don't. I do. If you need indisputable fact to believe anything than that's your choice. I choose to believe in what I do. I'm not taking anyone's money or brain washing children into following my beliefs. I'm not in any weird cult or anything I don't have followers.

There are hundreds of books on this stuff as there is anything else.

lottieandmia · 11/12/2013 10:30

Hetti it's interesting that your primary evidence for the existence of love is 'I say so first hand testimony' and yet you are dismissive of the testimonies of others.

Misspixietrix · 11/12/2013 10:31

mrsjay the Creator of Autocorrect needs shooting has a lot to answer for! Grin Blush.

lottieandmia · 11/12/2013 10:32

I don't agree scottishmummy. You can do all of those things out of a sense of duty and they do not prove the actual emotion of loving.