AIBU to think Scotland are gonna have moring after regret

[Sadoldbag]

Just heard today that Asda and morrisons will hike there prices up as the store in the uk subsidise the ones in Scotland.

Also the persident of the European union has said last week on hard talk Scotland will not be able to jump the que on the back of the uk coat tails and will have to join and fresh and wait in the back of the que


And royal mail have also said they may stop mail to the far flung parts of Scotland if they go ita lone as they loose money in the shetlands ect and they would only be required to provide mail in the uk.


And it seems to me all the bits in the white paper are all assertions and weather they keep the pound ect is not actually up to them.

I think this is gonna be like ringing your boss when drunk it sounds like a good idea at the time

But They will regert it in the morining

[PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice]

I don't know where the idea that Scotland wants independence has come from, certainly not from the majority of voters here.

Maybe from the fact that the SNP was voted into power?

[TwistedRib]

Mother The new curriculum will ruin Scotland. When you hear statements that teachers should not be seen as educators but facilitators as per COSLA you should be very worried. Check out the TES forum to see what teachers are saying. The whole exam system is being totally dumbed down and our children are the guinea pigs. We won't be capable of holding our own in a global market place. Just watch the league tables in about 5 years time.

[ILetHimKeep20Quid]

There is no fucking subsidising.

Do Scottish people not work and pay tax too?

[Iamsparklyknickers]

Itsallgoingtobefine I will I promise - my list of favourites is starting to look like my pile of paperbacks.

The internet is sooo distracting

[MrsOakenshield]

am I right in thinking that Scotland has a very large ageing population - larger than across the UK as a whole? How is that going to be paid for - the additional resources needed? On top of the free prescriptions, uni fees etch mentioned above?

[lovingmatleave]

Another Scottish NO here. Please do not assume Mr Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon talk for the whole of Scotland. Both of them make my blood boil when they talk as though they are the voice of the Scottish people. They most certainly are not. Loads of inaccuracies by the way in your posts OP, by the way eg there will be no free childcare as you mentioned - this does not help constructive debate. I also hate the way debates on this issue are turned into either English bashing or Scots bashing.

[SantanaLopez]

There is no fucking subsidising. Do Scottish people not work and pay tax too?

Yes, they do. Look at the figures. It's not enough.

I am scared of independence. It's an unknown and there's no going back. My DH's company will leave Scotland, so I'll be leaving too.

have to live the way we do?

The way we do? The free prescriptions, the NHS, the uni fees? We're pretty well off just now and I don't want to jeopardise that.

[ILetHimKeep20Quid]

The fact so many veiw it as a an attack on the English is indicative of the English habit of making it all about England. UK. It's about Scotland gaining independence from the whole of the UK. Not England.

[moggiek]

Motherinlaw you took the words right out of my mouth!

[TwistedRib]

But we'll be chained to Brussels and have to join the Euro as a consequence of membership .Is that what the Yes voters are happy to do cos Salmond is very pro Europe ? The idea of keeping the pound and being an EU member is fantasy.
Look at the state of Spain and Greece. We'll end up bailing them out massively to try to keep the Euro stabilized.

[RhondaJean]

Calling salmond salmon is a damn sight nicer than the names I could suggest. And don't start me on that puckered mouthed arse sturgeon.

Actually isn't a sturgeon a fish too?

Sorry I have just reached saturation point and am actually incapable if sensible debate. 9 months to go as well. It's like the worlds longest pregnancy.

[moggiek]

Twisted you are quite right. The new qualification structure is a mistake, and Mr Russell knows that, but is trying to save face at the expense of Scotland's future.

[Tabby1963]

Re my comment: "I don't know where the idea that Scotland wants independence has come from, certainly not from the majority of voters here".

I am genuinely bemused. I only know one person who has had anything positive to say about voting for independence. Well over 90% of people who I have chatted to about this are not in favour of independence.

45% of people who voted at the 2011 election did vote SNP (I looked it up). I couldn't find what % of that figure was the total voting population though. That figure would be interesting to know.

I imagine that even people who usually don't vote for general and local elections will be getting down to their local voting station next year to place their vote. It is going to get very interesting...

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

am I right in thinking that Scotland has a very large ageing population - larger than across the UK as a whole? How is that going to be paid for - the additional resources needed? On top of the free prescriptions, uni fees etch mentioned above

Scotland needs to encourage more immigration, something else that is currently in the hands of Westminster...

[Purplefrogshoe]

I am pretty sure I pay tax, a huge amount of it! Oh and btw i will be voting NO

[PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice]

Tabby it was quite easy just now to find that turnout for the 2011 election was 50.6%.

Aside from that, I don't know how you can possibly be bemused at the idea that Scots might want indepence when the Scottish National Party are in power!

[PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice]

*independence

[Annunziata]

That was the year people were all fed up with Labour though, not that they all wanted independence.

[PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice]

Yes but Tabby was wondering why people thought the Scots might want independence.

I was pointing out that voting the SNP into power might just give that impression, it's not really a mystery.

At the last election a vote for the SNP was a vote for an independence referendum.

[PostmanPatAlwaysRingsTwice]

Re the SNP not being the voice of the Scottish people, well unless every single person chooses to vote for the same party that can never be the case can it? That's not how it works.

I have to laugh at that objection, though. As we stand now apparently the Tories are the voice of the Scottish people. Couldn't be further from the truth considering just one of the 59 Scottish MPs at Westminster is Tory!

[GotMyGoat]

I'm curious to see what an independant Scotland would look like.

I am jealous of free uni education, prescriptions, childcare etc. that Scots seem to benefit from, which southerners have to pay for. Can anyone explain to me how or why Scotland and Wales (not sure about NI) get a better deal in terms of freebies than those of us who are English? It seems to me that the smaller countries of the UK already try to act as independent states so I'm in a sort of whatever makes people happy position. Our history as a united kingdom isn't that fab to be honest is it?

What I want to know is how much will it cost for me to send a letter from England to Scotland if it does gain independence? (VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION)

[WilsonFrickett]

Oh I don't know, I do kind of disagree with that. First time they got in was a genuine surge away from Labour - they lost their traditional heartland votes over Iraq. Second time I think they were voted back because they genuinely made a good job of their first term plus the sweeteners LIb Dems some of us thought would make a credible alternative till they fucked that right up with the coalition.

So I'm not sure every snp vote was a positive vote for independence at all. And I think a lot of no voters want a referendum too. I know I do.

[Misspixietrix]

YNBU. But then again you never know. Time will tell I suppose.