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Fiancee's ex-wife is jealous of my relationship with her son

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Beth9009 · 06/12/2013 16:50

Hi, wasn't sure if this was the right section as I'm new to the forum but here goes.

My fiancee was married to his ex-wife for 10 years and they had one son together, who is now 15. I met him (my now fiancee) a year after his divorce and recently we became engaged. I had met his son before the engagement but since I moved in to a new house with my fiance, I see his son all the time because he visits regularly.

I made an effort from the start to get to know him and right away we got on really well. I'm 11 years younger than my fiancee (he's 36 and I'm 25) so I'm actually closer in age to his son and we have lots on common. The trouble is, his ex-wife hates me and I know she doesn't like me spending too much time with his son. My fiancee once mentioned to her that I will be her son's step-mum after we get married so she should at least be civil with me, and she went berzerk (lol don't know how to spell that word). Obviously she hates the idea of me being a mum of any sort to her son.

Anyway, last week my fiancee was away with work and I arranged for his son and I to go to watch the rugby as we are both fans. I thought it was a nice gesture and my fiance agreed. The trouble is, his son didn't tell his mum that his dad wasn't going to be there and she assumed he was staying at his dad's over the weekend as usual. Later that night after we got back from the rugby, we were watching TV and suddenly his mum turned up at the house, banging on the door because she found out that my fiancee was away with work, and because of this she 'didn't see why her son was staying over' with just me. She basically dragged him out of the house!!

Where do I go from here? Whether she likes it or not I am marrying her son's dad and we are going to have a close relationship, even if she doesn't like the thought of it. We get on so well together and I don't understand why she would want to ruin that, apart from she is jealous Any advice?

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BruthasTortoise · 07/12/2013 15:48

scottishmummy if the OPs fiancé doesn't respect his child's mum it might be because she had an affair an broke up their family. He didn't trade her in for a younger model - she traded him in.

Quoteunquote · 07/12/2013 15:53

I'm finding it hard to accept the idea that his mum needs to be informed whenever I'm to spend time with him.

Well that explains why you are having problems, when you get why, the problems will disappear.

themaltesefalcon · 07/12/2013 17:33

I can't decide if you're just very immature or an actual weirdo, OP.

You need to calm down, back off and not mess about with the kid's head.

Beth9009 · 07/12/2013 18:38

I'm quite upset about the suggestion that my fiance will 'trade me in' for a younger model just because I am young myself. I didn't steal him from his wife....... his wife had an affair with his friend and we were both lucky to have found each other after their divorce. She's the bitch in all this, not me, and he certainly did nothing wrong. I'm marrying him and that's final. His son is part of my life, and me his, whether my soon-to-be husband's ex-wife likes it or not. Yes that might sound aggressive, but it's true. There is no compromise that we are going to be our own family, too. It's not up for negotiation.

Yes my fiance works away a lot, but everything is perfect. I am not just taking on him, but his son too. He is happy and so his is son. It's why he spends so much time at ours. We all get on great! This IS the reality, and I'm sorry if some of you don't like it.

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SPsWantsCliffInHerStocking · 07/12/2013 18:43

Well good luck to you. You asked in AIBU and got many different opinions and even advice but you know best of course.

His son might be a part of your life but it still doesn't mean you are a mother figure. Marriage doesn't mean automatic step mother.

Heartbrokenmum73 · 07/12/2013 18:45

Oh, stop stamping your feet, OP. You sound ridiculously childish.

You've had some fantastic, measure advice here, and you're choosing to ignore everything.

As I asked you earlier: how do you think the son will feel when he finds out (because he will find out) that you badmouth his Mother like this? Do you think he's going to be happy about that? Where will that leave your 'family' then?

It's not about what we 'like', you need to understand that you can't force a relationship with this lad. He is not your 'family', no matter how much you insist on it. He is your fiance's son. He has a Mother. There is nothing you can say or do to usurp her position as such.

Stop thinking of yourself and how you're going to force this dream of a family you have and think about this poor young lad who is not going to take kindly to your attitude towards his Mother.

Take it from me (as a Mother of a daughter and two sons) - boys are all about their Mother! You won't change this.

Philoslothy · 07/12/2013 18:46

You are very naive to think that in a failed marriage one person is the bad guy or bitch and the other did nothing wrong.

My husband's relationship with the mother of his child broke down after an affair, so yes she may have been unfaithful but he has always been honest about the fact that he was not blameless.

He would be furious to hear me call the mother of his child a bitch.

Being a stepmother is a life full of negotiation.

Heartbrokenmum73 · 07/12/2013 18:47

There is no compromise that we are going to be our own family, too. It's not up for negotiation.

Unless he decides he doesn't want this because he already has a family and you are not it! You're essentially a stranger. His Dad's girlfriend. You don't even come close to the family he already has.

You're starting to sound more petulant all the time.

'I want a family! I said so!'.

Verucca Salt syndrome...

pianodoodle · 07/12/2013 18:54

I do wonder what you asked the question for in the first place really.

You've been given advice on how to handle it. It sounds like as if you didn't really want the advice.

You want to think of this boy's mum as a bitch (even though the reason they split is nothing to you with you and it happened before you were even on the scene) and treat her role as mother with disdain.

You take far too much upon yourself and keep carrying on the way you are, it won't end well and things certainly won't improve with the attitude you currently have.

The way you describe everything has a very playground attitude to it.

I posted some advice earlier so I'm not going to repeat it.

Good luck playing happy families.

HedgehogsRevenge · 07/12/2013 19:00

You're gonna create a war with that attitude and there'll be no winners. In a couple of years he'll be all grown up and living his own life, you'll be lucky to see him at all then. You have to face the fact he is NOT your family, you are just his dads girlfriend and when you marry, you'll just be his dad's wife. No more, no less. You're coming across as a little bit unhinged, I'm not surprised his mother does'nt want you near him. You only have yourself to blame for that because for the millionth time on this thread you are not respecting boundaries.

UptheChimney · 07/12/2013 19:04

Don't rely on your youth. That goes -- that we can all be sure of.

And calling your finacé's son's mother "a bitch" is really the limit. Good luck -- you're really going to need it.

daisychain01 · 07/12/2013 19:18

Beth - I think some people may have got carried away on this thread and made some massive assumptions. The assumption you are the "Other Woman", the assumption you are grooming, are based on reading between the lines taking 2 + 2 and making 5.

I am uneasy about the assertions that step-parents automatically become status-less, faceless blobs with no sentiments, no ability to build a relationship with step-children that come into their life without being absolutely ham-strung, having no say in anything and whose opinions and input are worthless, not important, irrelevant. These are gross generalisations which may or may not have any relevance to your situation. I don't think anyone who believes that will ever be convinced otherwise, so I have not pursued it here, I respect people's views and opinions, however I definitely find that a very depressing and myopic view and doesn't take account of contribution that can be made, intelligently and commensurately.

Interestingly, nowadays I believe the law does provide for greater recognition for resident step-parents when they have lived with the DC's father/mother for a period of time. Marriage to the DSS's parent increases and reinforces that as being a permanent enduring (and hopefully loving) situation. I am not suggesting that there is any need to "use" that status necessarily, however it demonstrates that social thinking has move forward massively, step-parents aren't totally unimportant. Of course the DC's parents have their rights, but totally discounting the step-parent's contribution, so they become "pretty wallpaper" is abhorent.

There is in loco parentis, hence if your fiance has given permission for you to care for his DS, within reason, that should represent a trust situation and it may do more harm than good (especially if your DSS's mum is extremely negative) to continually text or phone every time - let's face it, there is nothing to stop her from thinking you are doing it to wind her up, when actually the reverse would be true. It is called "you can't do right for doing wrong".

The role of the step-parent can be rewarding both for the step-parent and the DSC's, it can also be a dignified, long-lasting and loving one. I know this, because my relationship with my DSS is thus, and I don't feel any sense of guilt to have made such a difficult relationship successful and to have done that without my DSS ever being dragged into the cross-fire (yes it has happened, but not at my instigation, and I have had to side-step so many times, I have lost count!). It is akin to walking on a tight-rope, not shadow of a doubt, it requires investment of effort, patience and the ability to detach sometimes and not take things too personally! Skin of a rhino springs to mind!

Looking back at my 7 years as a DSM, I would say the best approach is to play the long game, there is no need to prove anything, just be you, enjoy your life and build happy positive memories by becoming increasingly 'politically astute' about the situation and how to avert danger at all costs!

Lambzig · 07/12/2013 19:19

Gosh, I would like to think that if you show your posts to your fiancé, he will think twice about marrying such an immature selfish madam and the problem will be solved.

pianodoodle · 07/12/2013 19:20

It's just very sad that a situation that could be so much simpler and more pleasant with a bit of thoughtfulness and common sense on your part is turned into a battleground for no good reason other than stubbornness and selfishness.

scottishmummy · 07/12/2013 19:21

I'm not discussing the who's and what's of how he split from ex,or met Beth
I'm noting the man has a lack of regard/respect in his behaviour to ex,as does Beth
Maybe he'll replicate this attitude as a behavioural trait when Beth is the mother.maybe not

IThoughtThat · 07/12/2013 19:42

OP why do you think your OH is civil to his ex? I can't imagine he likes her very much but I bet he is civil to her because it's the best thing to do in this type of situation. Playing games and being bloody minded just you get back at the ex will not help in the long run.

I really believe the best thing would be for you to carry on enjoying your oHs sons company but try to back off a little AND try to be civil to his mother. It is fantastic that you get on with the son although I think it really odd that you aspire to be a mother figure to him Confused I think it would benefit EVERYBODY (including you!) if you tried to think long term.

You do sound very childish on this thread but I am hoping that it is because you are having an online rant and that you are reacting to the deluge of criticism. I hope you can try to put your defensiveness to one side and see that a majority of the 'reasonable' posters are all saying the same thing.

Caitlin17 · 07/12/2013 19:47

I stopped reading at MonkeysintheFog's post. Completely agree with what she said. OP is trying much too hard to be the cool step mum and if the boy has a bit of a crush on her, even better.

SatinSandals · 07/12/2013 19:49

I agree with daisychain. You are in for the long game so just relax, don't try to prove anything and play games. He isn't a 5 yr old to be manipulated. He is an adult in less than 3 yrs and he will do his own thing. He will be the one to make decisions.

sisterofmercy · 07/12/2013 19:52

Stop doing things with the kid without his mum knowing so she has to 'find out'. No wonder she doesn't trust you. No more secret squirrel stuff.

Keep her informed. She won't like or trust you for now but over time she will at least see you have his welfare in mind and he'll turn 18 soonish anyway. Be patient.

Beth9009 · 07/12/2013 19:54

HedgehogsRevenge

In a couple of years he'll be all grown up and living his own life, you'll be lucky to see him at all then.

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No, I will never let that happen. When he's 18 and goes off to uni (or whatever he does and moves out) he's going to visit us just as much as him mum. We (my soon-to-be husband and I) will be in his life just as much as his mother because custody won't be in her favour. It'll be down to him who he visits and spends time with.

Even in a couple of years time when he's older, we'll still be doing family stuff together, like going on holidays. This is the sort of thing I'm looking forward to when I'm married. And we will both have our love of watching rugby, even if his dad isn't interested in it.

Yes of course his mum will always have her relationship with him, but she needs to face up that I will too.

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Coldlightofday · 07/12/2013 19:56

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scottishmummy · 07/12/2013 19:58

You're tone is so adversarial no one needs to face up to anything. Chill out a bit
the mum,you and your boyfriend all have to happily co-exist

Beth9009 · 07/12/2013 19:59

Erm...have you met anyone who has gone off to uni? Why would you stop someone handling that as they want to? He might want to not be in anyone's pocket for a while....
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Well if that's the case, we'll need to make the most of the next couple of years then, won't we. I won't let his mum get in the way of that.

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DoYouLikeMyBaubles · 07/12/2013 20:00

OP are you actually for real? You're absolutely deluded. You will never let it happen? Hmm really? Are you going to drag him to you?

I think there's something psychological going on here because you seem to have created this fantasy for yourself. You seem to have it very planned out - it won't be like that. Stop kidding yourself. You cannot control people, and marrying someone doesn't mean you automatically inherit a pre-maid family. You need to make your own if you want it so much.