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AIBU?

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and a control freak of a mum or have I picked the wrong men to have children with?

182 replies

flummoxedbanana · 05/12/2013 11:22

My exH and I separated when our DD was almost two years old. He was abusive which was the main reason but a big part of the reason I left was how he was with our DD. He paid little attention to her and was very much focussed on me; from his viewpoint he said I was too focussed on DD and not on him. He spent no time alone with her at all, never changed a single nappy, never fed her once she started solids, never looked after her when she was ill and so on. He would do things that were downright dangerous. For instance, I asked him to bring a screwdriver in with him from the other room and he sent a just toddling DD running in with it, he let her climb on the glass TV cabinet and pull at the TV on an odd occasion he looked after her etc. He would do things to purposely anger DD - i.e. she hated being watched on the potty but he'd sit and stare at her, she hated being held still but he'd tell me to pin her down to dress her etc. He made everything stressful and DD was always upset when he was around.

I now have an 18 month old with new DH. He is a very good father and happily changes nappies and spends time with our DD while I'm busy reading etc with my DD but I'm beginning to find it similarly stressful when he's around. He had three or four days off per week as he works shifts so he's well aware of DD's routine and how she is used to things being done but still doesn't do it the same way. For example, she hates having her nappy changed and getting dressed. I usually put a toy alongside her which makes noises and give her one to hold which distracts her and I get it all done with no upset. He, however, keeps saying repeatedly for 5-10 minutes before nappy change/dressing 'shall we change your nappy?' and she is whinging and crying about it, then when he eventually starts to do it she is full-blown crying and thrashing about and it takes five times as long to do it then she runs to me to comfort her.

If she is upset because she's hurt or whatever, she wants me but DH will intercept her route to me and pick her up despite her pushing him away. He will then hold onto her despite her screaming and struggling to be put down. I don't think this is the way to teach her to settle with him and it upsets me when she's reaching for me and he's effectively taking her away and upsetting her far more than was necessary.

She is quite a fussy eater and eats very little so I do not really 'do' unhealthy snacks. When he has been looking after her, he feeds her pretty much whatever shuts her up - biscuits, crisps, chocolate etc. This then leads to her eating being worse for days, her whinging for snacks, demanding at vending machines etc. I spend days encouraging her to eat what we're eating, he has her for a few hours and she's back to square one and asking for snacks.

If he looks after her, he thinks the less sleep she has in the day the better she'll sleep at night. This is not true and it leads to me having an unsettled night with her as he has never got up with her at night. I have explained this repeatedly, but still he does it.

She hates getting washed in the bath. I let her play then do it right at the end. He starts saying 'shall we wash you?' as soon as she gets in the bath, meaning she's crying within a minute in poor DD1's ear and it spoils bathtime for everyone.

My exH said I was very controlling with our DD and that it was 'my way or no way.' I understand everyone has different ways of parenting and that's fine, but toddlers don't really understand that in my opinion - they like consistency. If there's a way to do something which results in no upset, I don't know why you'd do it a different way which results in hysteria. AIBU and controlling to think this?

OP posts:
CloverkissSparklecheeks · 05/12/2013 12:14

Massive x post - I am not sure AIBU is the place really, maybe post on the parenting boards if you need some advice about how to change things.

ThurlHoHoHow · 05/12/2013 12:18

I agree - AIBU probably isn't the best place for this problem, Parenting or Relationships might give you ideas for how to talk with your DH about what is concerning you.

youretoastmildred · 05/12/2013 12:19

Not sure if you saw my post, OP, but I think YANBU.

I don't think a child's parent should be repeatedly making them unnecessarily miserable because they are too pig-headed to listen. It sounds as if he has made it into a power struggle between you instead of just listening and getting on with what you suggest. Is he like that in other areas? Is he one that always has to be "right"?

I don't know what to suggest because the ones that don't listen, don't listen, but YADNBU

sebsmummy1 · 05/12/2013 12:22

It does sound a little like he is being competitive I have to agree.

flummoxedbanana · 05/12/2013 12:24

youretoastmildred - I do feel it's unnecessary misery and that it's unfair on DD1 too as she's beginning to dread his days off because DD2 changes so much which affects their sisterly relationship as well as DD1's with DH. He is quite pig-headed and sulky if things can't happen as and when he wants them to. He, like exH, also seems more into me than the children which I guess I don't understand. I see it that daytime should be dedicated to the children and that we have our time together once they're in bed. However, he will keep trying to talk over them to me, cuddle up on me when I'm playing etc and sulk if I can't hear him/move away to get something etc.

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TodgerDodger · 05/12/2013 12:26

If someone tried to take my child away when she was upset and crying for me, I'd be furious! She's a baby, ffs.

I dint think you're being controlling at all, OP. You know what works and it sounds like your DH is just not open to any discussion about how to parent together.

YANBU

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:04

To be honest, feel he's trying but he's not particularly good at toddler managing. he sounds almost the type to want to do battle over every single thing instead of letting some things go but on the other hand quite happy to create more problems for you so long as it doesn't affect him. Yes, he should be given lots of opportunity to figure out his way of working with her but we're 18 months in and it doesn't sound like he's learned much really does it?

The insisting on picking her up when she's crying and then fighting to keep her in his arms when she wants to be put down bothers me really...what's that teaching her about boundaries? If he's picking her u to keep her safe that's one thing, but picking her up and forcing her to stay in his arms just because he wants to hold her is just wrong IMO.

Perhaps he feels like he wants desperately to have a good relationship with her but feels that he doesn't because so many of their interactions end up in strife that he's moving to measures that are unhealthy (ignoring boundaries, letting her eat whatever she wants, letting her stay up rather than nap) But in doing some of these things he's actually breaking trust. It doesn't fecking matter when a child's hair is washed during bath time (beginning, middle, end..) it's figuring out what works best with the minimum of fuss. Respecting a child's boundaries isn't pandering to them, it's teaching them respect and trust. Yes, there are times when it's tough shit - preventing a child from injuring themselves/eating foods that are healthy/stopping a child from damaging property or hurting someone else/teaching good manners and respect/teaching a child that the world has time constraints and sometimes things have to get done - but if a child is continuously told that their thoughts and feelings and gut instincts are wrong over the smallest of things and to be ignored what is that doing to that child's view of themselves, the adults around them and the world in general? I'm pretty certain most modern parenting books don't encourage parents to tackle every moment by completely ignoring your child's emotional needs and just getting on with things because the adult's viewpoint/clock/agenda is always more important.

Is he any good at picking up on the verbal and physical cues of other people?

You say you have left him to it and continue to leave him to it...is that correct? Could you possibly gently point him in the direction of a parenting course?

ThurlHoHoHow · 05/12/2013 13:10

Parenting course... I know why you're suggesting it but really, if my partner suggested that I needed to go on a parenting course (especially if 'I' needed to go, rather than 'we' need to go) I think that would be the start of some very serious discussion about our relationship as a whole...

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:10

Yeah, I've had a closer read...he's the controlling one..not you. He has a rigid idea of how children should be instead of respecting your daughter as an individual and on the other hand (because it suits him) he'll let her eat any kind of crap. He also feels children can be just put to one side when it suits. those judgements I make based purely on what you've written here. Your relationship is very important and it's important see the adults around them having a healthy relationship, but not to the exclusion of the children which is what you've written here - that he's more interested in you than them when they're around. I'm usually the first to give a struggling parent the benefit of the doubt but I think here he needs to be told and I don't think you can be the one to tell him. He needs a parenting course - might be helpful for you to go along with him too though - bit of a team effort thing?

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:14

I can see your point, Thurl - but he's not exactly doing a good job is he? He has no interest of seeing his daughter as a separate human being with her own rights to respect and dignity - he's treating her more of an extension of him.

And it may go on to a discussion about their relationship as a whole...sounds like it might need it. If the parent's cant communicate and work as a team it makes for an unhealthy environment.

He knows he's being pig headed - people who act like this usually do IME - he just doesn't want to admit it to himself or he'd be reflecting and seeing how he can do things differently to enhance rather than pick away at his relationship with his daughter.

fuzzywuzzy · 05/12/2013 13:17

YANBU at all.

your ex sounds a monumental arse and your DH sounds strange.

If he winds your DD up so much and wont let her nap during the day and fills her with crap, then you should let him do the night as well and deal with the consequences.

How old is DD2?

Why would a grown man purposely go out of his way to upset a child, the immediate threat of washing DD when he knows it will upset, the long drawn out threat to change her nappy when he has seen it stresses her. Why would a parent do that?

purrtrillpadpadpad · 05/12/2013 13:19

You are so not unreasonable. This thread is crazy. I'm totally with youretoastmildred on this. Your DH sounds like he's behaving like a spoilt brat. He's trying to impose his will on DD, he is not parenting her. He's not treating her like a person. It all seems to be about him, what he wants, there doesn't seem to be any thought about DD. It's like trying to make a thing behave in a certain way.

All this business about him sounding lovely and whatnot, I don't buy that, it's crap. I don't get Mumsnet sometimes. You could have posted this another day and got a unanimous YANBU response. Maybe today is one of those At Least Your Man Isn't A Total Prick Like Your Ex, Quit Moaning You Controlling Cah kind of days. Like a sort of National He's Not Completely A Wanker Appreciation Day. Yay. Bunting time!

lalouche · 05/12/2013 13:23

I think you need to leave him alone too - I mean literally. Don't listen to what goes on during bath or nappy time. He needs to have an equal parenting relationship with her and if you hover constantly, this is never going to happen. Your daughter is already learning to play you off against each other because she knows you'll swoop in whenever she's unhappy.

Giving 5 minutes warning before ordinary toddler happenings such as nappy change or washing is absolutely normal parenting behaviour. It may not be your way, but it is certainly controlling to think that you are justified in saying that it's the wrong way. I'm on the liberal side of the parenting spectrum. Playing with DD in the bath, obviously fine and great, but saying that 5 minutes warning of a nappy change or washing is 'too much' for her is ridiculous. If you stop interfering, she will very quickly learn that that is the way it is with daddy, and stop getting upset.

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:23

Indeed, purrtrillpadpadpad! It all almost sounds like a battle of wills and a couple of thimes during the OP's posts I've wonder who is the child: him or the 18 month old. I can't believe some of the posts here.

lalouche · 05/12/2013 13:24

On the snacks and sleep side of things, though, I'd agree that he's being a bit of an arse.

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:28

the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result...except I'm not even sure this man expects a different result.

The OP has already said she leaves him to it, she doesn't hover and he doesn't swoop in - when it all goes tits up he gives the sobbing mess that is his daughter back to OP because he now doesn't have a clue how to calm her down - it's all so unnecessary. It's making everyone (except possibly him) miserable.

To be honest, I think the next time he imposes his will over something unimportant I'd completely leave him to it and refuse to help - let him figure out how to pick up the pieces...even if only once. Perhaps it will help when he has to actually spend time in the immediate vicinity of the storm he has helped to create, and perhaps getting to have a decent look at what he's done might buck his ideas up a bit, give him a eureka moment hopefully.

mrsmalcolmreynolds · 05/12/2013 13:31

OP you've said you leave your DH to it, have tried to let him find his own way etc. which is good. However you also wonder why he doesn't do anything things the way you do - eg the toy while nappy changing. Those are fairly mixed messages which can't be helping things.

It sounds like your DH is struggling with parenting your DD2 and I think you need to try to have an honest but non-judgmental talk about it. For example on the sleep - acknowledge his pov but say you don't agree and explain why - I.e. she is up x times if she has proper naps but y times if not. Then you can try to agree somefframework rules that both of you agree to work to.

I think you also need to try and present a united parental front as it doesn't sound as if things are at the stage that you need to actually protect your DC from anything DH is doing. What did you say when your DD1made the comment about it being difficult at home when he's there?

purrtrillpadpadpad · 05/12/2013 13:32

Cherry, I guess maybe she should be grateful that Her Man is trying? Which immediately wins him the title of Great Dad. You know, like "well he doesn't do any night wakings or anything so I guess I'm pretty exhausted but he's a Great Dad, I'm so lucky." Or "well he knows she hates having her bum changed, so he kind of advances on her and says, bum time, shall we do your bum? Shall we do your bum? Bum time! And the whole time her eyes are getting bigger and more scared and her bottom lip is starting to wobble and he is getting closer and closer, Bum time! Let's change that bum! Bum! Bum! BUM! And by then she's crying because she's REALLY upset and he turns round all wide eyed and surprised. Amazing. But he's such a Great Dad."

fuzzywuzzy · 05/12/2013 13:35

mrsmalcolm, how would OP present a united parenting front with her H?

Adopt his method of winding up the children before bath time and nappy changing? feed them crap? grab them and refuse to let them go to the person they are seeking comfort from?

I'm finding it a bit difficult to see how.

purrtrillpadpadpad · 05/12/2013 13:36

There's an inherent meanness to it. I don't think he's warning her it's coming because he's trying to help her get used to the idea. It's the ugly parenting equivalent of pulling the tail of a cat until it cries out in pain and then pretending to be surprised that that would be the outcome. Oh, don't cats like it when you pull their tail? That's a new one on me! Etc. It's cold and weird.

cherryademerrymaid · 05/12/2013 13:42

Purr - only OP can answer that. I don't' think we have enough with just word on a screen to hazard a guess at his motives - perhaps he' really that inept when it comes to having empathy. He certainly doesn't seem to be able to see further than his own world view. He could just be stuck in a groove and unable to see it and thus can't get out of it. If he's doing it on purpose...well that's a whole different thread.

garlicbaubles · 05/12/2013 13:43

DD1 is commenting on how miserable it is when he's home - Oh dear.

I also read your posts as describing a very rigid man, with a single inflexible idea about how to treat children - to me, this idea sounds like "they must learn to do things my way, like it or not." No emotionally functional man would persist in making children cry, or create a home environment that makes children scared/unhappy. I think he's a bully.

No, he's not the same as your ex. Yes, you've landed another wrong'un.

garlicbaubles · 05/12/2013 13:44

What kind of relationship does he now have with his own children?

mrsmalcolmreynolds · 05/12/2013 13:45

fuzzy it's got to start with a proper conversation hasn't it? From the OP's posts I get the impression this hasn't happened and the two parents are not communicating about their children, DD 2 in particular. My guess (and it is only that) is that the lack of communication is at least in part down to issues trom OP's previous relationship, DH pride/confusion. I am absolutely not saying that OP should adopt her DH's approach wholesale or even at all. However surely theycan attempt to find a compromise and back each other up in implementing it?

garlicbaubles · 05/12/2013 13:46

perhaps he's really that inept when it comes to having empathy

Why would you urge OP to have a relationship, and force her children to have a relationship, with somebody who doesn't have empathy?

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