to think immigrants should work before being entitled to benefits?

[judgejudithjudy]

EU immigrants will only be allowed to claim benefits 12 weeks after entering the UK but surely EU immigrants should only be entering the UK to work - not claim? I can understand if they enter the country to work & then lose their jobs - more than entitled to benefits but surely you should pay into the system first?

ready to be flamed so wearing my flame coated coat :-)

i don't think they should be able to claim anything unless they have paid tax for 5 years.

Yes, let's just close the gates!

Really? Really?

Why do you care OP? Why are you asking?

Another immigrants bashing thread...

can the Op not have a discussion without being made out to be a bigot?

I agree OP and Squid.

The last thread we had regarding immigrants started out nicely (just like this one) and then turned nasty (just like this one will).

I repeat: why do you care OP? What are your reasons for asking?

Before anyone mounts their high horse about benefits, I should point out that the fair share of the cost of running the country is about £12,600 and change per annum for every man, woman and child. If you're paying less than that in taxes and NI - between you, your partner and your kids - you are on benefits, albeit benefits in kind in the shape of the services and amenities you have access to.

Otherwise, try and be clear that you're complaining about others being on more benefits than you.

I agree with you op. Of course there should be international movement, but not at this country's expense.

Do you realise that you can go and claim benefits if you go and live in an EU country too? It works both ways.

Have you swallowed a copy of the Mail?

I agree and many of the other grandchildren and children of immigrants (like me) agree too.

As to why does she care- that's a weird thing to say. Are none of us allowed to have an opinion on anything in this country? Should we leave all that political stuff to our superiors?

They may have paid into the system, the European system, which we are all a part of. They might have paid tax for 40 years in Poland and then claim here.

So what about the people born and bred here who have never worked and yet claim benefits? Are they entitled to them?

What if an immigrant moves here with their family and they actually have a job to go to, but it doesn't pay a great wage? Are they 'allowed' to claim WTFC or not?

I agree with you OP. Tbh it gets on my nerves when people get on their high horses about others having an opinion! This is supposed to be a free country so we are entitled to our opinion, even if it differs from yours!

crikey, i am allowed an opinion & im not benefit or immagrant bashing! & most EU countries do not have a benefit system like ours.... ours is by way superior & yes, i have claimed benefits & could afford to live but also have paid taxes for 20 years.

so its ok to move to the UK just to claim then?

so its ok to move to the UK just to claim then?

Accordingly to the law, yes it is!

What about people born here who've never worked but claim? They've never paid in either - where do you stand on those claimants?

& im more asking about income support (unable to work benefit) than jsa or wftc. :-)

Under existing EU legislation, it's not permissible to move to the UK, or to any EU country, just to claim. There is a right of residence for three months, but beyond that you have to either be in employment, be capable of supporting yourself, or be a student.

This is nothing but scaremongering by the Prime Minister, pandering to the anti-EU and xenophobic right inside and outside his own party.

It is scaremongering.

That £12,000 figure is interesting Kisses, thanks. Makes me a contributor on my own and DH's part (just!) but a receiver if we have a baby. Very thought provoking.

I pay in more than I take out and am an immigrant, am I allowed an opinion?

When i heard about this today I thought "who could possibly object", but I am sure that MN will provide!

Of course you should have to contribute before you claim out of work benefits, and it should be a lot more than 3 months. I don't think you should get in work or top up benefits unless you are in a shortage role or a service role.

Overall I think immigration is good for our country because most immigrants are coming here to work hard and build a better life.

really janine as i have polish friends (some single mums) who came to the UK to get a house & benefits. its not their fault the UK allow it & according to them they will never return to Poland.

lets keep it nice as i dont want the thread deleted :-)

Why are you cherry-picking which benefits you're asking about though OP?

I'm more concerned about people who leave school with no intention of ever working. Why aren't you concerned about them too?

Why 'just' income support?

hermin - i have nothing against immagration as immagration is great for the UK if working :-) just like you :-)

I think everyone should have to work before they claim benefits unless they are disabled or they are care leavers.

Anyone else almost filled their card yet?

'I have immigrant friends' - tick
'They came here just for benefits' - tick
'They're single mums' - tick
'They'll never return home' - tick
'I'm only interested in immigrants' - tick

Blimey, I'll be shouting House soon!

OP, you do really this is a really lazy thread to start goadily and if you're looking to be controversial, you're really not.

Hth

heart - we already struggle paying benefits to UK residents that dont want to work + a housing crisis so with benefit immigrants, how will the UK cope?