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To wish feel a bit sad that my friends didn't even want to try breastfeeding?

404 replies

ClaireandGeorge · 22/11/2013 08:40

I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this.
Saw a friend with her 3 day old baby and she was moaning as her boobs were engorged and sore and I couldn't help but feel a bit sad that, that milk was meant for baby.
I understand a lot of women try and struggle or have problems that mean they can't. I totally get breastfeeding is difficult.
Another friend didn't want to breastfeed as her partner had said her boobs were for sex.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I understand it's a free world and we can all choose to do as we so wish. I have absolutely nothing against formula and I know plenty of beautiful babies and children that have thrived on it. It's just that it makes me a bit sad that my friends have chosen to ignore mother nature and not even give it a go.

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limitedoffer · 22/11/2013 10:06

I just don't get it. Sad

Judging what others do is completely human response, weird that people here shout "though shall not judge" but by doing so judge the OP themselves. I thought MN was a forum to exchange opinions and ideas so why shoot the OP down for doing just this?

I find it very weird that the pro formula lobby seems to increase by the day. Sad Hmm

I am not a nutritionist but giving a young baby formula equates to the baby not having an optimal diet (based on scientific evidence). However, so many people go on and on about how important it is to eat healthily (adults and children alike) but then think feeding formula is just fine or a life style choice.

I think it's so ignorant to not even try to bf or give a newborn colostrum (even if it is just expressed).. It's a different matter if bf just doesn't work or makes mum and baby miserable but to say out right " naaaaaaa can't be arsed" is odd unless you have some deep seated psychological reasons for not wanting to bf.

BF is a matter of public health also, so in a way not just a personal choice as with your choice you may be more of a burden on health service ( as with drinking heavily, being obese, smoking etc etc.). No one knows the long term health and psychological implications of feeding formula. I reiterate formula is a man-made product on the market to generate revenue for big companies like Nestlé. Of course formula has its place and the most important thing is that mum, baby and the rest of the family are balanced , happy and healthy. But if people could, but choose not to bf I find it hard not to be judgemental. I just find it ignorant and it does make me sad.

The comment about OP's friends partner who sees breasts as his own personal play things is deeply worrying. I actually think this is controlling and abusive as another poster has said upthread. So basically breasts are good to satisfy a grown man's bloody fancies but must not be used to feed a helpless newborn mammal. This is thoroughly fucked up.

Tailtwister · 22/11/2013 10:08

You get judged every single day. People judge other people, it's human nature. There are hundreds of posts on here where people are judging other parents.

Of course people judge others on their feeding choices. BF/FF, when they start their baby on solids, whether they BLW or not...it goes on and on. Then it's whether you go back to work or stay at home, state/private eduction etc.

We all have opinions, we all judge other people, OP just expressed hers in writing, that's all.

autumnsmum · 22/11/2013 10:09

Should the op be discussing her friends private business on a forum

NotmyusualNN · 22/11/2013 10:10

it's a different matter if bf just doesn't work or makes mum and baby miserable but to say out right " naaaaaaa can't be arsed" is odd unless you have some deep seated psychological reasons for not wanting to bf.

But this is the point that I and other are trying to make. Some people do have deep seated psychological problems that we don't want to or are unable to discuss so fall back on the easier route of simply saying we don't like the idea. The point is that we are continually expected to justify the reason and this is where unreasonableness kicks in.

Tailtwister · 22/11/2013 10:11

Has OP identified herself or her friend autumn?

JemimaConfuddledDuck · 22/11/2013 10:11

Really? You actually feel sad about a baby not being breastfed?? Not your baby, but your friends?? Honestly, are you saying that you're genuinely upset that your friends are using a different, and totally acceptable, way of feeding thier baby than you do/did?? The baby is being fed so I really don't see the reasoning for being upset.

Joysmum · 22/11/2013 10:11

It is sad. Breast fed is best for baby and mum in general (with some exceptions of course) which is why it's talked about with pregnant women. However it's not the end of world if babies aren't breast fed.

It's one of those situations where everyone will have an opinion but shouldn't be commented on as it's none of your business and wholly inappropriate to do so.

Holidaymyarse · 22/11/2013 10:12

I think we should treat BF as more matter of fact, if you can, great, if you can't, don't worry there are great alternatives. Any judging, criticising or even projected sadness helps no one and can be awful for those on the receiving end.

OP as gently as I can say it please don't take offence, but what if you have more children and you can't BF them for whatever reason, how would you feel if others felt sad about you? I know you haven't said anything but sometimes these things can be felt without words. Perhaps it's time to step back a bit and think about investing these thoughts and feelings in your own life and things that make you happy. BF or FF is such a tiny part of bringing up kids, it's really not worth you feeling sad over.

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Golddigger · 22/11/2013 10:13

Claire. It is up to you whether you feel sad or not.
But I dont get why you would post it on here, and keep on posting, when you know for sure that it upsets posters. That seems wrong behaviour to me.

happylittlebear · 22/11/2013 10:14

I ff my DS from birth, I knew I would as far back as when we decided to ttc, didn't even consider bf.

I'm not defensive about it because it's no one else's business and I hope no one ever felt sorry for me or DS. He is happy, healthy and loved and I couldn't have a better bond with him if I tried.

TBH all this "I don't understand why they didn't even try" "how do you KNOW you don't like it / it's not for you until you try it?" always baffles me...

I knew I wouldn't like it because I am a grown woman well able to make my own decisions and know my own mind. I read plenty on the subject, saw first hand experiences of friends and family who had bf and ff and made my decision based on what was right for me and my baby.

I knew I wouldn't like it in the same way I know I wouldn't like to jump out of a plane...I don't need to try it to know I wouldn't like it...I just KNOW!

I see plenty of parenting decisions I wouldn't make every single day...I'm sure you do lots of things differently with your children than I would OP.

But unless a child is neglected/abused, I couldn't care less because we live in a free country and the beauty of that is that we are all different and it would be a hell of a boring life if we all lived in exactly the same way

scottishmummy · 22/11/2013 10:14

Let's be clear there is no pro-formula lobby Imo,there is need to advocate choice
Esp when it's inevitable that any mere mention of ff will be met with the humphy face(hmm)(sad) and judgement
Look if the new mum had pop a fag in baby gob I'd judge,formula no biggie

cloggal · 22/11/2013 10:14

holidaymyarse - best post on this thread.

Fairylea · 22/11/2013 10:15

Not breastfeeding is like smoking during pregnancy?!! Really?!

Such ignorance.

cloggal · 22/11/2013 10:15

mijas99 that is a horrible and unfair comparison, of course it is not like that.

Gileswithachainsaw · 22/11/2013 10:17

Mind set ? Are you serious? Ffs.

TeacakeEater · 22/11/2013 10:17

OP I've moved from one community with low,low,low bf rates to a mc area where the mothers feel judged for ff! It's a complete sea change and explains some of the bad reactions you've had.

In terms of the communities of people who think bf is somehow "wrong" then it is sad. I can say that as someone who ffed my child and who thinks formula was a great development. (I have no guilt because of the area I'm from I suppose.)

You sound like you are supporting your RL friends. The worst thing ime is when some well-meaning people are evangelical about bf, that was one friend's top reason for not contemplating BB! Just getting on with it with minimum fuss seems the best way to reinforce the idea that it is normal.

JemimaConfuddledDuck · 22/11/2013 10:18

At the end of the day, the baby is being fed and looked after and getting everything it needs from formula I just can't see why she's sad about it?

scottishmummy · 22/11/2013 10:19

Formula is safe and it's purpose is nutrition,Cigarettes are harmful.no comparison

HaroldTheGoat · 22/11/2013 10:20

There is no pro formula lobby.

mijas99 · 22/11/2013 10:20

Cloggal - why isnt it?

Even happylittlebear's explanation is about how "I knew I wouldn't like it", it is all about her. Which is great, women do have the right to choose, but some women choose to put their baby first, and give them what is their birth right i.e. breast milk and all the nutrients and emotional bonding that come with that

Using formula milk is a purely selfish or pragmatic decision for the mother. It will never be better for the baby. The only way it can be better for the baby is if there is a medical issue

HopAlongOnItsOnlyChristmas · 22/11/2013 10:20

ODFO mijjas.

How about saving your sadness for a culture that doesn't support women breastfeeding and reduces women's worth down to just their body. This idea that women who don't even try are just selfish is fucking stupid. People do not make choices in a vacuum. It is one thing to care about the big picture and get sad that breastfeeding is still not seen as just the normal way to feed and that women are under so much pressure to look good and God forbid if they flash a bit of breast in a way not designed to turn men on. It is something different entirely to feel you can judge individual women's choices over how they feed their baby.

EXTERMINATEpeppa · 22/11/2013 10:20

I ignored 'mother nature' twice.

Yes yabu.

TeacakeEater · 22/11/2013 10:20

scottishmummy, no pro-formula lobby, you'll not have met my Mum and her pals!Grin

EXTERMINATEpeppa · 22/11/2013 10:21

mijaas

get your head out of your arse