To think that this model looks awful and quite unwell?

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www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2507013/Victorias-Secret-Fashion-Show-afterparty-Sean-Avery-toasts-fiancee-Hilary-Rhodas-success.html

Got to say that it surprised me, Victoria Secrets models usually carry a bit more weight compared to the the emaciated girls we see doing the high fashion stuff.

She's so, so painfully thin. Her face is drawn and she looks older than her years.

When is the modelling world going to start using healthy looking girls who don't look like famine victims? This is not what people want to look at!

To whoever asked 'why do people never believe that naturally fat people exist the same way naturally skinny people do', I absolutely DO believe it.
I know I eat tons, never exercise (rush around at work but only over short distances), smoke, drink etc. I'm 5'7'' and probably about 7 1/2 stone. Always have been except when pregnant (got up to 9 1/2ish) or when exercising (was about 8 stone then). I had a six pack for years based on exercise I did in my early 20s until I gave birth 2 years ago.
I've had lines in my face since I was 16 (devastated)but they are identical now and I regularly get carded at my local (I'm 38). I snapped back to pre-prenancy size through no effort whatsoever.

I am completely and utterly unhealthy I expect, but not because of my size. I know that I'm like this BECAUSE I WAS MADE THIS WAY. So, actually, I do believe that there are people who are naturally the 'other way round' too.

I too was bullied for years for something over which I have no control whatsoever so I do, actually, feel hurt when people go on about 'not healthy/bones jutting etc' on what, to me, is the body I see every day (minus the muscle tone nowadays) in the mirror.

And that is why I would never, EVER comment on anyones size. To their face or behind their back.

I looked at all the pics of the VS models on the runway and I am pretty sure their muscles/bones are defined more using make up. Just saying.

God give me strength with all this curves crap. Objection your comment is incredible, of course you are insulting people who are naturally 'slim' like me when you say that you can't believe anyone would think we are sexy. I'm sure that my DH and all others married/partnered to slim women would disagree with you though..

and I have a perfectly normal diet and exercise regime ta very much.

WOW objection what an awful post, I think the fact the it is written so nonchalantly makes it even worse. You truly believe the shit you just spouted don't you?

Of course people find thin people sexy!
Some people find fat people sexy too.

I knew this one guy who found women with muscles sexy
Some people with brown hair are considered sexy, oh and some men and women fancy people with red hair.
I like people with big brown eyes... See where I'm going with this?
It's a load of crap all this 'curves are sexy, curves look best'
what is sexy is what I find bloody well sexy!
(Or you or the bloke across the road, whatever)

She probably deliberately lost some body fat for their event in the same way that bodybuilders/fitness models do. It is a perfectly healthy thing to do in the short term in order to show off the underlying muscle.

I would kill for q body like hers. Why is having visible musculature so undesirable? Surely we should want our bodies to be the best we can? After all we have to live in them our whole lives.

It seems to me that people are getting overly defensive because they aren't willing to put in the hard work and discipline. OK we can't all have a model face and mile long legs but we can (medical issues aside) have a low body fat, and muscle.

Just because most people we see are fat, does not mean we should accept it as normal and give up.

Objection why do you consider "looking sexy" to be something that women are supposed to aim at? I am not a sex worker, so why on earth would "looking sexy" benefit me in any way? I have one DH, I do not want another one nor an affair, so while I might wish to look attractive, presentable, smart, etc, on a day to day basis I really couldn't give a fig about "looking sexy".

Neither do I especially care about what men find "sexy" in women. For the reasons above, and because I am not a man.

More and more, I suspect this type of thread is written to make the writer and certain women, who are not considered conventionally attractive, feel better about themselves. The subject of their derision is a model, she is a damned sight more attractive than most of us (certainly more so than me), and makes a living out of the way she looks, which again is more than the majority of us will ever do. Gosh you can see her ribs (perfectly normal in a healthy adult) and some muscles (again, normal). And gosh again she is tall and lean.

Good heavens - a few men somewhere in the world might not find her to her taste. Most men wouldn't get anywhere near her, and probably make negative comments to make themselves feel better about it, rather than genuine ones. I bet she's not losing any sleep over it.

Firstvix: but what is your body fat percentage. Skinny fat is not healthy.

Fantastic post LessMissAbs

I think it would be nice if it was more acknowledged that different 'natural' body types exist without having the whole slim = virtuous, plump=slovenly connotations.

It should also be more acknowledged by the entire media universe that actually men and women have far more variable tastes in their idea of what is attractive and hence signals aspirational for the purposes of advertising.

Presumably a lot of women/men do look at this model with envy...but I really don't and many of the women on this thread would agree with me. So why doesn't the media diversify a bit and stop showing us carbon copy images of beauty?

She looks tall, strong and fit - and like she's 'shredded' - lost water weight on a high protein diet just before the show like body builders do - which isn't unreasonable as that's her job on the biggest underwear show in retail fashion.
She is clearly slender and works out normally, she's just dialled it up on a short term basis but that's normal for models doing this work. I doubt she will still look this 'cut' a fortnight later - visible abs on women show at 15-17% body fat.

why doesn't the media diversify a bit and stop showing us carbon copy images of beauty

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for sure, but there are certain characteristics that make people more attractive rather than less attractive. Being tall, slender and toned are three characteristics that in general make people more attractive rather than less attractive.

Of course things like decency, a sense of humour and brains count for far more than looks but these things cannot be put into a picture and they are fundamentally not necessary when modelling underwear.

I reckon this lady is a far better underwear model than anyone on this thread. I reckon she would beat us all hollow at that. And that's fine. Why begrudge her? Is it because we are not all tall, slender and toned? She looks lovely IMO.

I haven't read the whole thread - it got a bit 'samey' (sorry).

I think she looks fine if that's her natural size/shape but if she struggles to maintain it, it wouldn't hurt to put a bit of weight on. There are bodies out there that I would prefer to have if I could swap and they all have a bit more muscle/fat on them.

Howver, what struck me more was that her knickers could do with a bit more fabric in the crutch!

FFS just because skinny is seen as Good does not mean you can post a picture of someone looking skinny and say they look bad. Would you ever post a photo of a slightly larger model and say she looks unhealthy? No. Doing it to skinny people is just as insulting.

OP - if you're uptight about it then STOP buying the magazines, STOP looking at the web pages and STOP joining in.
It's WOMEN who perpetuate this - so if you have a problem - just STOP looking.

Wow, I'm just amazed at the variation in perception of her body on this thread.

She looks slim, healthy and fairly athletic. Period.

Clearly not a spare ounce of fat on her, but the idea that she is ill or even slightly undernourished is bizarre and delusional.

I was called 'anorexic' when I was at school, and someone actually said to me 'You must make yourself sick' to which I said 'Er no I fucking don't. Get your facts right.' and they were like 'Yes you do. You're anorexic.' Ok... There was nothing wrong with my eating habits. I won't say that 'I ate more than most people' because that's a cliché and to be honest, I don't. I eat 3 meals a day, and snack when I am hungry. I eat an apple sometimes, other times I have half a packet of biscuits and two bags of crisps. I have never denied myself anything. But at the same time I don't have 'double helpings' so I can't exactly say my metabolism is fast or anything, I just feed the appetite I have, however I have been labelled as having an eating disorder purely on the basis of what I look like.

Some older relatives at a barbeque when I was younger (who happen to be obese/ overweight) have said things like 'You look like a greyhound,' which IMO is a disgusting thing to say to an impressionable teenager. Thankfully, I have quite a thick skin and just laugh to myself that it is bitter jealousy- if you were confident enough in your own body, you wouldn't feel the need to bash others, simple as that.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, OP. Just because this particular model has a sinewy, athletic body and that doesn't please you aesthetically does not mean that you should slag her off. She could have an eating disorder for all we know, but how is this culture where we degrade fellow women and name-call helpful? Does it make you feel superior? If you are so bothered and it affected by it all, why don't you do something useful and volunteer on behalf of eating disorder charities? You clearly would want to make a difference as you have such the magical ability to see who is ill and who isn't just by looking at them. Some may call it a gift; FYI someone who has a bang-on BMI isn't necessarily healthy. Someone who is 'normal weight' could still be making themselves sick. You cannot just look at someone and decide that whether they have an unhealthy relationship with food/ exercise.

Comparing this lady to a 'famine victim' is just offensive when you know nothing about her. I hope you don't get on the bus one day to overhear a whispered remark judging your lifestyle based on your appearance because it does hurt.

OP maybe you should put up a photo of yourself on here for everyone to pick apart and guess things about your lifestyle based purely on your appearance. If you won't then why? Because it is upsetting and wrong?

I'm that tall & thin & naturally so. Yabvu.

She's a model, this will be nothing probably to what her agents and clients say to them all the time. I've seen thinner, mores at starved looking models. She doesn't look near as bad as some but her face looks gaunt, she looks much better and healthier in photos before this. She is not the problem but the modelling industry does force many girls to literally starve themselves into weights much lower than is healthy and what they should be.

So, in the spirit of the OP and all posts like this, I would just like to say that I consider myself far, far more attractive than any mere model. I am also more attractive than Christina Hendricks (not so difficult) and Kelly Brook. Whats the other female figures that are considered aspirational that all women are supposed to aspire to? Well, any of them.

I might be short and muscly, but I just know I'm far more attractive and that vast realms of unspecified men I'm never likely to meet find me more attractive sexy than them. It must be true because my DH says so while I hold boiling kettle over his head Plus that chubby guy down the road looking for a bit on the side.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say I pity all models because they just don't look as good as me. That's why I'm not paid to model myself - I'd show them up and make them want to put on weight and shrink immediately. I also think everyone should look exactly like me, or well, they just aren't attractive. Everyone knows that, don't they?

She looks fine.
This seems bitchy to me. Why do this to another woman?

I think she looks athletic but she's not carrying much body fat, wouldn't say no to her body at all! I work out 5 times a week but I don't look like that.

'I expect many on this thread are jealous.'

No, I expect many of us on this thread have daughters - more to the point and are concerned about what they see as ideal. I'm not at all jealous - I think she's beautiful but as I said earlier all this denial that models are not allowed to eat much and are under pressure to be a size 0 is disingenuous. It's the same at The Royal Ballet School - there is an unwritten rule that you do not eat. And if you do, someone will remind you that you shouldn't.