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Who WBU? Mortifying train incident.

420 replies

MikeReepySpooksard · 03/11/2013 17:18

Ds, 15 months, has an unfortunate hair pulling habit. Today on the train he got hold of the hair of the teenage girl sitting in the seat behind his and yanked it. She screamed 'get the fuck off me' and glared at him. She kept turning round and glaring at him the rest of the journey.

OP posts:
gobbynorthernbird · 03/11/2013 21:24

Somebody on a train touches you, there's always reason to think otherwise.

MrsOsbourne · 03/11/2013 21:24

That was in response to Bloob and her different type of train Hmm

HaroldLloyd · 03/11/2013 21:24

I think the OP was getting opinions about what should have been done really but not expecting the level of nastiness about her parenting, that her child is obviously used to bad language as she said cunt on MN, and various other totally OTT derogatory comments.

BoneyBackJefferson · 03/11/2013 21:24

'she kept turning round and glaring at him the rest of the journey.'

maybe she kept turning around because she didn't want her hair pulling again.

FreyaFridays · 03/11/2013 21:25

Wow, what a weird thread. Having just completed a four hour journey on a massively overcrowded train, I'm just in the mood to comment.

First off, I don't think there's anybody in the world who likes the idea of other people's children on public transport. They are more or less guaranteed to be the most irritating little brats you've ever had the displeasure of coming across... and I'm a teacher, I've a high threshold for annoying children! However, far worse are the wet, and yes, useless parents who do sweet FA to control their children. I had my foot trodden on, on purpose, and an attempted trip-up by an oh-so-adorable toddler today, whilst oh-so-busy mummy was fiddling away on her blinking iPad.

So, OP, your toddler shouldn't have been stood up on the train seats at all. I don't care if it's a 1.5 hour journey, they should be sat down with a book, colouring, small toy, whatever. NEVER stood up on the bloody seat. It's annoying to everyone around you, who immediately has to keep an eye on the child to make sure they don't get grabbed or vomited on, etc.

Therefore, you may well BU for having earlier allowed your toddler to behave in such a way before you went to the loo. Especially knowing he's a hair-puller by toddler trade.

Your husband is obviously being massively unreasonable for allowing the event to happen (you are exempt from the actual incident, as you weren't there), but most especially for not apologising for it. What a tit! I am sure you've told him so.

However, his "fear" of a teenager's rage is nothing compared to the fear of a young woman who suddenly thought herself being assaulted in public, and rightly yelled out in an attempt to stop it. There's never going to be anything unreasonable about a person who attempts to stop a possible assault by calling out in alarm. Many of us have been assaulted in public, it's happened to me numerous times, most recently just last month. Young women should be taught how to protect themselves from this in public, as it seems that, unfortunately, many young men are still not learning the lesson to keep their hands and other various parts to themselves and away from strangers.

The girl was right to shout, never mind what she shouted, she won't have damaged your son in anyway. Your husband was awful to not apologise for the incident. She may well have really thought it was him, not the baby.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/11/2013 21:27

Or maybe she was glaring because the OP's dh hadn't apologised or told the child off. I think I would glare too - even if I had turned round after the hair pull and seen a child obviously reaching out for another go.

MrsOsbourne · 03/11/2013 21:29

The girl was right to shout

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/11/2013 21:29

My last post was in response to BoneyBackJefferson* - not Freya.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/11/2013 21:30

Oops - rogue bolding there. I shall give up now. [blush

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 03/11/2013 21:30

Arghh - Blush

BoneyBackJefferson · 03/11/2013 21:33

SDT

I do agree that she was/is ode an apology as well.

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 03/11/2013 21:38

tartina

"I should grab the offending hand and bend the fingers backward. I've taught my children the same. It's only through luck that your child was just sworn at, because as a young teen I wouldn't have assumed that the hair pulling was a child, and he could have been injured"

This has made me really Grin. Just imagining a not pleasant but quite typical child standing on seat accidentally pulling womans hair and all of a sudden op's DH is thrown into all sort of contorted highly sophisticated defense moves with broken fingers, a good kick in the balls, probably a broken nose....as Op comes back innocently from the loo, to a scene of carnage...

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 03/11/2013 21:40

Op

I think you should write an open apology for your and your husbands disgusting degenerative behaviour towards this lass in what you think may be her local paper. Grin

PresidentServalan · 03/11/2013 21:42

The girl did what she was supposed to do - she reacted loudly and assertively at the first sign of a perceived threat. The husband was incredibly rude not to apologise to her. The trains I travel on have the seats back to back too.

FutTheShuckUp · 03/11/2013 21:53

OP what the hell was your husband doing whilst your child was amusing himself standing on the seat and he had the chance to not only yank a handful of the poor girls hair and stand reaching for more wtf didn't your husband act as soon as his hand went near her?

TartinaTiara · 03/11/2013 21:56

HouseonHauntedHill Grin. I would have stopped with the self defence as soon as I grabbed the hand and found it belonged to a tiny person, so OP's H would have escaped with no more than a couple of flesh wounds. But I'm in favour of women not just knowing how to defend themselves, but giving themselves permission to defend themselves - obviously deadly assault by a toddler's not in the same league as a sexual attack, but I grew up in the early 1970's, where (as we've seen from recent news reports) casual assault of young women and girls was seen as something you just had to put up with. Am quite pleased that a young woman felt able to yell out - better to attract attention and apologise afterwards than to feel ashamed and keep quiet.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 03/11/2013 21:56

However, his "fear" of a teenager's rage is nothing compared to the fear of a young woman who suddenly thought herself being assaulted in public, and rightly yelled out in an attempt to stop it. There's never going to be anything unreasonable about a person who attempts to stop a possible assault by calling out in alarm. Many of us have been assaulted in public, it's happened to me numerous times, most recently just last month. Young women should be taught how to protect themselves from this in public, as it seems that, unfortunately, many young men are still not learning the lesson to keep their hands and other various parts to themselves and away from strangers.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

And Bloob - you need to go to EveryDay Sexism's site or Twitter feed. Not only is assault & sexual assault on public transport depressingly common - it is so 'normal' that most women never report it. British Transport Police recently ran a campaign to get more women to report it because they were dismayed by the Everyday Sexism campaign.

And it's not just women - DH got felt up by some guy on the tube the other day on the pretext of 'warning' him that his phone was visible in his pocket. He told him to Fuck Off.

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 03/11/2013 22:00

I agree Tart it just made me Grin very much.

Poor op coming back to a scene of carnage and the toddler looking on, innocently.

Toddler picks on the wrong woman.

PerpendicularVincentPrice · 03/11/2013 22:08

I agree with Harold et al. The OP is getting too much of a kicking and assumptions around her parenting are unfair.

However much you supervise, toddlers can move fast and do things you don't expect. Equally so, I feel it was normal for the girl to swear in shock/pain.

All that needed to happen was for the OP's DH to apologise, but i'm sure she's aware of that after reading this thread and 50 people telling her so.

It doesn't need to run to pages. OP, please don't be put off MN. You know AIBU is, erm, opinionated at times Smile.

Bigfingers · 03/11/2013 22:21

This thread is incredible - I have read pretty much all of it and am pretty shocked! I feel sorry for the OP, if she is still about - I think your posts have been pretty reasonable considering the abuse levelled at you and your DH.

Girl - NBU if she didn't know it was a toddler she was swearing at, if she did, BU.
DH - BU for not apologising, but bit more understandable that he may have been too shocked by her reaction and then the moment had passed.

Loads of posters on this thread - YABVVVVVU.

Equating this with assault!!!?!?!? WTAF ??

DH probably dealing with other DC, misses DS's arm shoot out. Hardly a hanging offence!!! You CANNOT be parents, those saying that.

Those who keep suggesting the OP and DH were BU for letting him stand on the seat sometimes during a 1.5hr journey, you CANNOT be parents either, or have never taken a child on a train. Straitjacket a 15mo for 1.5h? So you'd prefer to hear him scream for 1.5h? Or maybe parents should not be allowed to travel on trains full stop?

FutTheShuckUp · 03/11/2013 22:29

Yes I have been and still am a parent. Bored or not standing on seats wouldn't be allowed mainly for safety reasons

Bigfingers · 03/11/2013 22:31

With your arms round them?? Sorry I don't get why that's not safe

MurderOfGoths · 03/11/2013 22:31

"Equating this with assault!!!?!?!? WTAF ??"

People have been saying that an adult yanking on someone's hair would be assault.

They've been saying that the girl's initial reaction would likely have been based on it being an adult doing it, not a baby.

And so the girl would likely have been reacting to thinking she was being assaulted.

Make more sense?

Bigfingers · 03/11/2013 22:35

Yes I have read that, and as I said in my post, her reaction was NU if she didn't realise it was a 15mo, so end of discussion. There is no reason to extrapolate all the additional whys wherefores about girls being assaulted on trains since that did not happen. Some people on here have stated she was assaulted. Confused

MurderOfGoths · 03/11/2013 22:37

I've seen people saying that she would have felt like she was being assaulted, or that she was reacting as if she was being assaulted, not that she was assaulted by the baby.