Apologies I haven't been able to get back to this thread seems I have missed a lot!
NancyShrew But by the same token (and this is not the way that I feel personally), how would you feel about women who judge "clean" strippers because they feel that their decision to display their bodies and arouse men in a commercial context for personal enrichment, makes men's attitudes towards other women less respectful, and encourages other women to do things they are not comfortable with?
It isn't really a question of how I would feel, It's a question of how I do feel really :)
It's a quandary that underpins my life a lot of the time, people know what I do-I am not one of those people who hides it, uses a different name, is dishonest about my work etc. IT's not something that bothers me per se, but It's definitely there.
It would probably take an essay to explore it!
Strip clubs existing is an example of blatant patriarchy , in some people's eyes. It is a place where women's looks matter (supposedly) over anything else about them.(For the record, in my vast experience, the prettier girls aren't always the higher earners)!
I cannot see them as being the essence of all the above issues though. A part of it (a rather small part). I tend to think that women who are very promiscuous play more of a part. But as has been said before, why are we not blaming the men for their lack of respect for us as a gender? (I don't necessarily agree either way).
I believe in choices being the more important thing with sexual equality . Women and men are not the same , we're different. Why can we not be different but not have one gender that's supposedly superior? Why can women not work in a strip club if they want-or be a train driver if they want, yet still deserve respect.
It isn't the same issue exactly but I did my BA thesis on pornography and its role in sex crimes. Much of the evidence I gathered would support the theory that sex crimes are more apparent where pornography is not available.I won't 'cite' myself though, it was a long time ago was that!
I am a very small source of information (I'm 5'3 :D ) but a lot of guys I have danced for have been craving female attention but unable to get it elsewhere . They choose strippers, they're attentive and give them an ego boost. Sexual arousal is part of it, but it's only a part. Most men enjoy themselves but separate fantasy from reality.
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Festered...you don't see that you either do extras or you don't? You don't see allowing a customer to fondle your breasts as an extra? It's quite distinct in my mind. If you clean dance, they pay to receive the entertainment you give them. If you start allowing touching, you've been paid to allow a man to touch you up?? Don't you think?
I think touching breasts is an extra, definitely. We're not meant to do that. But I think It's far less of a deal than letting a guy touch your vagina for the purposes of trying to arouse you, Or letting a guy get his penis out, and playing with it. I think that's a whole new kettle 'o fish!
The reasons I think this is, if say, I allow a guy to touch my breasts, and he's just been playing with his knob in the toilets, or has drugs on his hands, or even if his hands are dirty. No biggie. I could babywipe afterwards, no harm done.
If he has dirty hands and I let him insert his fingers into my body, or if he's just been getting himself off in the lavvy and then does it-whole lot of things could occur there. STD. Health consequences. Infection- Plus for me personally, sexual acts are sacred. Plus I could get hurt. Okay, unlikely. But FAR from impossible!
Giving a guy a blow job or fondling his cock, similar reasons plus, I don't want to give guys physical pleasure for my job, I just don't feel I am paid enough for that!
Strumpeton good point!