To be pissed off DP went to a strip club....

[NancyShrew]

When I made it perfectly clear I'd be annoyed about it.

DP doesn't seem to find it an issue and I'm fuming. He wanted to go to a strip club to "see what it's like", I said I wasn't happy and we'd discuss it at a later date.

He went anyway on a works night out last night, but apparently it's fine because it wasn't an enjoyable experience.

"Well bugger me, what did you think I meant"

It's kind of difficult to work out what you mean when you spend every other sentence heaping scorn on other people, whether that's other dancers or different posters,

Sword, what do you mean about lie vs description, though? Sugar has been clear about what she feels the difference between a stripper or sexworker/whore is. But other people might have different ideas about who is a sexworker/whore and who is not.

If there's nothing wrong with being a sexworker/whore - then why would it be derogatory to be described as one. If if you're not. Even if you're an ambulance driver?

"I don't find whore a derogatory term, when you are infact describing a whore. It is if you're not."

:o

So it's OK to call someone a whore if you think they can be accurately described as a whore, but otherwise it's a insult?

GENIUS

OK, well I see no significant difference between a woman who performs lapdances for money and a woman who sells sex.

So presumably it's OK for me to call them all whores?

Actually it's not hard to work out what I say at all. Most people get it. Some don't. Some deliberately misunderstand and rocket off on a tangent when they realise they have not grasped the original sentiment, to save face and gloss over that, I presume.

Ok HeadsDown. But it seems to me you are just absolutely desperate to not listen to the point of what she's doing and are just picking apart HOW she is expressing herself.

Rather accurate. Worth repeating.

I have a quick question for Sugar.

Earlier in the thread you said that you never once came across a uni student stripping to fund her studies.

Were you working as a qualified chartered accountant before you started stripping?

This thread had got really good, but I see we are back to the masterclass in delusional narcissism.

Which I JUST CAN'T STOP WATCHING!

Heads...Yes I was.

HeadsDown If you called me a One Direction fan, for example, I would be insulted because I think they are bloody awful. It's insulting to me because it's a lie. But for their MILLIONS of fans it's certainly not an insult.

It depends on the truth of something whether it describes something, or whether it's meant to be an insult.

HeadsDown If you called me a One Direction fan, for example, I would be insulted because I think they are bloody awful. It's insulting to me because it's a lie. But for their MILLIONS of fans it's certainly not an insult. It depends on the truth of something whether it describes something, or whether it's meant to be an insult.

Sincerely thank you for taking the time to show how ridiculous some are being. I can't be bothered to respond to what is the mind numbingly obvious, you have a lot more patience in dealing with that :)

To be honest Sugar, I'm not entirely convinced some people won't think we're the same poster!

I'm just baffled by this thread that posters can attack you with goady little insults, jibes and antagonism but call you out for doing the same. I would have snapped too! They dislike that you've "judged" strippers for being "clean" or "dirty", but are extremely happy to judge you. The double standards here are astonishing.

Ha ha!! I know, gawd bless em all

Yet more pointless, passive aggressive insults disguised with smiley faces. Reached that stage of proceedings again, have we? Goodnight, all.

Sugar, your points would be so much easier to take seriously if you could strip the open and passive aggression and nastiness away and, you know, engage with posters.

Dropyoursword: I have different groups of friends for example. Some like make up, some don't. Some like swimming, some don't. If I described them as different types of girls, would that make ME misogynistic? I think if you had earlier described them as ugly, not in shape or dirty, then it would be clear that you were trying to distance yourself from them.

It's not a double standard.

I don't think it's acceptable to judge women according to madonna/whore stereotypes.

But I think it's absolutely fine to have a low opinion a person who is a nasty misogynist.

It's entirely consistent as far as I can see.

Ok JYP but I don't understand why you believe Sugar is fitting herself into the "Madonna" role here. She's been very clear about what she does and isn't casting any illusions that she's sweet and innocent and pure.

I'm not. She knows I'm not. But it's much more fun yawn to ignore that, argue the toss and pretend I am, right?

Are you kidding me?

She's spent this whole thread boasting about how beautiful, clean and moral she is, not like those ugly whores at work.

It's totally fine, of course, to call someone a whore if they ARE whore. It's only insulting if they are a better class of whore performer.

Narcissism. Yes, exactly.

We are definitely interpreting her posts differently!

Just out of pure interest Sugar, if you were always in control of what you did, who you talked to, danced for etc, why did you feel the need to dance topless for the Robot dance, if the guy didn't request it?
You say that it was to pacify your boss if he was watching on video-cam?
Does this mean then that you weren't allowed to dance if you weren't at least topless?

Ok , I'm going be judgemental. I'm not interested in Sugar's fine distinctions between clean and dirty dancers.

I think the sex industry is degrading and making a living by selling sex is wrong. Full stop.

I could not care less if it had been my husband (or for that matter my son) who had gone to the club whether he'd seen a "clean" artiste(as Sugar seems to think she is,) or one of the dirty dancers she despises. I would be hurt and disappointed and would think less of them. I'd be especially disappointed in my son.

I think Sugar contributes enormously to the whole, nasty, misogynistic world we live and actively colludes in keeping it going. And for that I do apportion blame to her.

She can protest as much as she likes but as far as I'm concerned she is a sex worker.

DropYourSword, sugar has gone to great lengths to explain why she's better than the"dirty dancers" and why, even, when it comes to sex in a relationship she's actually quite a prude.

JYPyes I thought the thread was getting interesting, then it went off on a tangent, I'm sure we could revert to the previous route of the discussion if there is still sufficient interest.

I think we were talking about power, power-lite, soft power/hard power...that kind of thing?