To refer to a black man as a black man

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The other day i was talking about this black man who lives down the road to a neighbour and she said it was politically incorrect of me to say 'you know that black man who lives there' after I had said it.I thought well i never.What's wrong with calling him a black man when he is a black man? How should have I described him? TYIA

Look I know womens rights and racism are not the same thing. But as a broad comparison of 2 groups who have both faced discrimination, which is all I was trying to point out, I don't see why it is so wrong to use that comparison to try and illustrate a point.

Hakuna I understand the point you are making that racism can be insidious and that this is often worse than overt racism which would probably get stamped on.

Struggling to make sense of this thread. If you describe a black man as a black man, then unless you are doing it with derogatory intent, he isnt going to be offended. Much of the time things are made worse by some white people who want to TELL black people how they should described - but, they dont ask us. They believe theyre entitled to assume. Then they make up all these pc mostly naff sounding labels and tie themselves up in knots about it, instead of just simplifying things.

There are far worse things a black man has to face and worry about than being called a black man in descriptive (NOT aggressive or racist) fashion. Such as being called a black man in an aggressive and racist fahion.

If we're suffering racism and prejudice then, we know we are. But we also know when we are not. I am talking of individual circumstances, not the entrenched institutional racism that is worse nowadays, just covered up better.

Gangsters. Read your own posts.

Gangster read the op carefully and then tell me you can't see racism.

Do I take that to mean I'M racist Amber?

I can assure you i'm not. I am genuinely curious. Give me an example.

Im refering to minimisation of racism.

Jacks - I genuinely cannot see 'racism' in the op.

What is racist about it?

Thank you Amber. I always wonder why people seem surprised when we get emotional over this stuff. It isn't academic thought experiments, these are our lives. These things hurt, yes even as squiggles on the screen I can get anxious and in pain over because of the relived experiences I discuss. I tend to get overly academic to cope (or maybe I'm just well trained in the 'don't get visibly emotional' nonsense - because can't have feelings over things that affect my life can I).

If I discuss with emotion as an abused woman in an abuse thread, it's okay, but discuss with emotion as a Metis woman in a race thread, no, that's having a chip.

Such as...

...and tbh, Im not sure if a person can minimise racism and not be racist?

as just about to go but did not want to leave you hanging Yellowdinosaur.

I am wary when people compare the two as it is not the same or when people compare racism, and slavery with other struggles in my opinion it is not the same. The history is long and painful and I do not think you can compare the two like for like. Also i think comparing the two tends to confuse discussions.

Yet you refuse to back up your 'point' with an example.

Oh my god, as soon as someone mentions the colour of someone else's skin the racism police jump in. CATCH A GRIP. Fucking drives me up the wall.

I have to say, I can't see anything untoward. OP is simply asking a question.

I see nothing of any particular note that Gangster has written that could remotely constitute racism. I see that she makes several, articulate points, which are then disagreed with. Which is fine. But implying there is any kind of racist tone is untrue and unkind.

Exactly Sporks. You do write so well though!

Jacks I can't see racism in the op, just the colour of a man's skin being used to identify who the op is talking about. When it's the obvious difference that clearly describes him. There is nothing derogatory in the description and 'black' is relevant to describe who the op is talking about rather than having no useful reason.

Hence, imho, it is not racist.

And on that note i'm off to bed. Where I had been headed an hour and a half ago when I opened this thread.

Yet you refuse to back up your 'point' with an example

I told you, read your posts.

Daleybump clearly has not read the post. As far as I can see people on this thread are having a sensible discussion so try again.

Oh my god, as soon as someone mentions the colour of someone else's skin the racism police jump in. CATCH A GRIP. Fucking drives me up the wall

Carry on folks, you are proving my point.

I assume that means you've backed yourself into a corner with your ridiculous accusations Amber but are not graceful enough to step down and admit you were wrong.

OK.

'racism police' are they like the 'PC brigade'?

Actually you clearly have not read the thread because if you had, you'd see that I posted previously.

I have read the post. It's not racist. The people who think it is are obviously deluded.

Thank you sugarhut

It's nice to see some people manage to retain the sense they were born with.

Amber, I'm curious as to what on earth you're referring too. Please instead of just a generic "all your posts" to Gangster, could you direct me to just one specific example of her posts where she says something and explain how it can be taken as racist?

We know the op is talking about a black man who lives down the road from her but it's never the man its always the black man or even worse when the op is quoting what was said it's that black man. It's over the top and unnecessary.