Am I being unreasonable to confront this woman?

[justanuthermanicmumsday]

for those of you who don't know I wear a face veil usually a patterned scarf to avoid sticking out so much lol. point is I expect the odd comments maybe groans as I work past in my honour of course.

But two times now this senior lady I'd say in her 60s or more unprovoked loudly made comments at me. The first time she said" why are you wearing that" I was walking past with my twin buggy to supermarket, I thght she was incredibly rude. Had she said excuse me and proceeded to ask me a question in a normal tone I wouldn't have been miffed. Still I kept my cool said religious reasons as I walked away. I didn't want a conversation I don't see why I should explain when she was so rude.

yet today I see her again shouting across the road at me this time." No need to wear that take it off". Today I would say she looked aggressive or perhaps it was my eyes deceiving me. My toddler was with me she looked distressed said" mummy whys that lady shouting". I said "she's prob ill like your gran never mind her."

Should I confront her if this happens again? I'm not an aggressive person quite a walkover and not much confidence but I think it can't be ignored its like harassment.

I dread to think ill pass her again if I pop out she's always on the same route as me, yet why should I dread her.

Granted she doesn't like my dress neither does my brother, I'm not harming her in anyway. one sibling said I shouldn't confront her in case she goes to the police. But that's insane what reason would she have to go to the police i would simply tell her to get off my case. How would she like it if I told her to change her dress for something more acceptable to me. She's not the fashion police or the law.

Please remember this is not a conversation on whether you approve of my dress rather this woman's behaviour

when i see lots of piercings i wonder why someone does want to pierce their face, i personally do not think it looks nice

but i do not state that to a stranger, i do not say hey mate why do you want to put so many holes in your face i accept that is what they want to do. if i were to get into a conversation with them and it came up i might ask otherwise the only issue is my issue wanting to understand why they have made that choice but really it is not my business or for them to explain to me

freudian I once had a stranger try and forcibly remove my lip piercing (that was fucking terrifying) wonder how many people would say it was my fault for choosing to wear something some people found offensive? Crazy isn't it?

Peppi - they would not stand out, they would blend in perfectly around here. And children expect every wearer to be a muslim lady.

What utter rot!

Do you know who's face pops into my head when I hear of child abductions? Robert Black - a man who was white and never wore a veil (or disguise) as far as I'm aware.

Security problems? Really? If your children are young then you stay with them and if your children are older you tell them to not go out and about alone and to never get in a vehicle with someone they don't know - that's basic common sense.

I understand people who dislike it and are threatened by it. That doesn't mean I excuse them from a) basic manners and b) tolerance of other faiths and cultures.

Your feelings, their feelings, thats up to you. It does not and should not have any affect on people going about their business innocently.

On that much we completely agree. So how do you feel about my hypothetical market scenario, where I am a scantily clad, rather alien looking woman in a sea of very well covered, rather aghast and offended local people?

Cat - why have security passes with photos on, and cctv cameras then?

Utter nonsense. I've heard it all now. What are they going to do, hide them under the jilbab and run away.
Please link me to one incidence of such a disguise being used.

re your market, I think fair fucks to you, dance naked on a fish stall using clams as maracas for all the difference it makes to me.

ouch ouch what a idiot

ds ripped my hooped earring out that hurt not sure he was making a point though

As far as I'm concerned, places which need to see someone's face for security reasons (eg. my old college) will ask the women to remove the veil - possibly giving them somewhere private to do so - to verify they are who they say they are.

But CCTV in public places? Unless you are going to also ban hoodies/scarves/dark glasses/costumes then it's a bit silly to just focus on veils.

Peppi - there have been many instances of men donning burkhas etc to commit crimes or evade capture - google it. Women can wear them for nefarious purposes too you know.

Epic straw man. Criminals wear hats to conceal themselves, do you want to ban those and rip them off peoples heads in the street?

A burkha etc is a piece of fabric. It does not bestow upon the wearer any particular character traits. Anyone can wear one - what is the point of denying this? Everyone knows it.

Sure anyone can wear it, but thats not your point. You're just being offensive now.

I get it now. Only muslim women or those in favour of allowing concealment are allowed an opinion on this issue.

And I don't think you mean burqa, they are rarely seen. I think you mean niqab, which aren't that common either.

no, anyone is allowed an opinion. You're just being told yours is both silly and offensive. Do you have a problem with me saying what I think?

Peppi - they ARE common where I live, and I see both, but mainly the niqab.

Peppi - I think it is fantastic that you are in a country which allows you freedom of speech.

You have no idea what country I'm in, but yes, so am I. What a shame you want to use your freedom of speech to attack others.

Just keep taking the tablets reading the Mail.

I have heard it all now.

Back to Subs question (even though it is not relevant) I would find someone parading around scantily clad, in any market in any place around the world, to be inappropriately dressed.

Cat - why don't you believe me? Don't you have experience of any areas like mine?

With regard to the Mail comment, I think you should be widely read and not stick to just one paper. Content and coverage vary enormously between titles.

Peppi - I haven't attacked others, I simply disagree with you, and you seem intolerant of that fact.

So do you want hats/hoodies/scarves banned too Adventure? After all some people use them to conceal their identities in order to commit crimes.

I live in a city that is culturally and religiously diverse. I have only heard of someone using a veil once as a means of disguise and that was over 10 years ago. Yes, I am sure there are instances but there are many more instances of people wearing ski masks to hide their faces and commit crime.

Should we ban skiing?

The Sun is campaigning for a ban on veils.

Thats pretty much enough of a reason to be on the other side of any debate.