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to think this class system only exists on MN?

308 replies

GildedWingsOfGrace · 13/09/2013 20:00

All the time I hear "middle class" bashing on here.

Or "working class" guilt. Only on MN.

I wouldn't have a clue what class I am or what class my friends are, or the people I work with are.

It doesn't even occur to me, and I never hear it mentioned in day to day life Confused

OP posts:
scarlettsmummy2 · 14/09/2013 23:02

Apologies, reading it back my comment was a bit blunt. I was looking at in the context of class signifiers and agree that VB does often look harsh.

PenguinBear · 14/09/2013 23:06

Not sure what area of the country you are in op but everyone seems to be obsessed with class in the south east where we live.
Some of the mums at the school gate are dreadful for deciding which of the new Nursery parents are working class and which are middle class. Happens most septembers and is very bitchy. :(

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/09/2013 23:08

Does she have a weak chin? Looks small and pointy to me, no face sloping into neck going on.

HeadsDownThumbsUp · 14/09/2013 23:11

she looks as common as he sounds

The nastiest thing I have read on this thread. And completely does with the 'class doesn't exist' notion that started the conversation.

mam29 · 14/09/2013 23:13

I grew up working class.

dad had white collar job engineer
parents split when i was 9
mum had odd jobs ironing cleaning.
i dont remember being free school meals
but we were skint.

became more pronounced seniors.

the timotie girls mostly teachers daughters did better got more attention from teachers.

I could tell even then that my teachers looked at my parents with disdain,

but was bright new world
nu labour
1999 when worked my arse off and went to uni to try and escape the depressing small town life and expectio(low)that was.

I escaped worked way up. got degree married to someone no degree god income live in afflunet postcode where everyone still seems richer than us mainly because we private rent and dident buy at right time.

so i feel between classes.

yes I sometimes do online shop at waitrose/ocado
order odd thing from boden/joules
but lso shop lidls/adis/farmfoods/
we private rent .

we do what we hae to do to pay bills. keep up appearnaces for kid sake but we by no means rich.

we strugle most months.

studies class at a level sociology really interesting subject.

we nearly as bad as india and caste sytem.
never admit it.

but class divide is never dead far from it.

we just have a new class the underclass.otherwise known as chavs.

ie ook at lilly allen early days so deperate to be seen as chav went to public school.

or pricess kate middleto with ancestors as minors yet her parents love in ,million quid house and all 3 privatly educated so how middle class and normal is she?

greenbananas · 14/09/2013 23:19

How did this thread descend into a conversation about Victoria Beckham's chin? ?? It looks alright to me, and I presume David Beckham also thinks it is okay!

Crowler · 14/09/2013 23:24

I'm quite fond of Victoria Beckham, but I am super-common so it stands to reason. Marriedinwhiteagain says it's so, so it must be. She's the arbiter.

greenbananas · 14/09/2013 23:34

Well married in white is also judging David Beckham on his accent. . I have no problem with his accent, but hugely admire him for being a positive role model, not swearing, spitting or thumping people on the pitch, being a good family man, supporting his wife to have her own career.

I dont think Victoria Beckham would deny that she is a working class girl who now has money, so why are we arguing about it? She might be a bit offended by people who criticise her perfectly normal and fairly attractive chin!

FreudiansSlipper · 14/09/2013 23:46

VB parents are wealthy that is why she was called posh

Saffyz · 14/09/2013 23:58

It's that old confusion between class and money again. They're not the same thing.

FreudiansSlipper · 15/09/2013 00:01

yes we are aware

god forbid someone from a wc bacground would have the cheek to call themselves mc or even worse umc

Lazysuzanne · 15/09/2013 00:24

'fairly attractive chin'
Damn her with faint praise why don't you

greenbananas · 15/09/2013 00:37

Her superlatively attractive chin Grin

I didn't mean to damn her with faint praise. She is stunning really. Not a perfect supermodel type but definitely attractive and stylish and generally beautiful.

Why should Victoria Beckham"s chin come into a debate about class? ???

She has got far more class than anybody who judges class on the basis of facial features.

usualsuspect · 15/09/2013 00:40

Why would someone from a WC background want to be MC?

Lazysuzanne · 15/09/2013 00:44

better access to money and status..broadly speaking

greenbananas · 15/09/2013 00:51

And because working class has been devalued so that it now means benefit scrounger, chav, generally dodgy andinferior person

Lazysuzanne · 15/09/2013 00:54

some aspects of working class pride were tied up with traditional masculinity and heavy industry, times have moved on technology and society have shifted and changed

greenbananas · 15/09/2013 00:58

Yes, it was more respectable to work in a mine or factory than it is now to work in a supermarket or call centre.

usualsuspect · 15/09/2013 01:28

So you think that there is shame in being WC now?

usualsuspect · 15/09/2013 01:29

Because most WC people I know don't give a fuck about class.

Lazysuzanne · 15/09/2013 01:38

there you go again Usualsuspect blatantly twisting other peoples words...

Laquitar · 15/09/2013 02:49

Many degree based jobs have changed too though. For example a teacher with mortgage in london and with childcare is not comfortable. someone who trained to glue fake nails might earn more. And those who sign o. today might have one or two degrees but are unemloyed and on benefit.

Wannabestepfordwife · 15/09/2013 07:06

Vb is very middle class IMO her dad is a successful business owner, she went to private school, lived in a big house and her dad drove a rolls. I don't understand how she could possibly be wc.

I can't believe I have just outed what a vb fan I am

burberryqueen · 15/09/2013 07:11

god is this still going on .....does anyone really care that much?

scarlettsmummy2 · 15/09/2013 07:50

Vb grew up with money, that is not the same thing as growing up middle class.