Would you leave your baby unattended in their buggy

[noblegiraffe]

...while you use the loo?

On another thread I mentioned not being able to get a buggy into a small cubicle and the suggestion was to leave baby outside.

Would I be overly precious in thinking 'No, I wouldn't do that'?

gobby is that post directed at me?
Your post wasn't entitled r obstinate it was abusive and vicious.

Sorry, GetYourSocksOff, you've lost me?

And I very much doubt there is any similarity whatsoever in my feelings and yours about each others children.

As have been some towards my family.

But I haven't been like that towards you and your family. Or to anyone in fact.

So you didn't read the post where she described what happened to her DD, her DH and her at the weekend then, Getyoursocksoff?

Seriously, people feel strongly about this stuff because everyday they see themselves/their families struggle just to live. Then people come on a forum and say 'oh I just use the disabled facilities' and that means that some people/their families cannot leave the house or risk soiling themselves just to go out.

Can you not see why this makes people feel desperate?

Well that's ok then. If someone's had a bad time they can say what they like, no matter how offensive and I'll suck it up.

Sorry, spikey. I like your posts. It just made me smile that out of the many, many many posts on here from fanjo, the person defending her could only think of one example which is not insulting or derisive or aggressive but that we can't see it because... it's been deleted.

It wasn't the post with cnt in it, was it? (disclaimer, that may not have been fanjo)

It really isn't just about her, but she gets more responses because the volume of posts is higher.

You said something deeply offensive yourself.

Let [s]he who is without sin...

No, littlemiss. Can you quote it if you know where it was? I thought I'd read most of the thread but it's a lot to scroll back through.

Emily posted that fanjo was happy for her [Emily's] baby to be kidnapped and murdered. She said that wasn't offensive. I simply pointed out that MNHQ thought it was because it was deleted.

I did?

Oh I see

No, GetYourSocksOff, Emily did.

We are cross-posting I think

:)

If Fanjo has been so unrelentingly vile, it's interesting that she hasn't been deleted once on this thread, as far as I can see. MNHQ clearly don't think she's been name-calling and making personal attacks.

People aren't going to sit here and meekly say "Oh yes, I can absolutely see how hard your life is. But would you mind awfully keeping out of the facilities that were put in place after lengthy campaigns by those with a real need for them."

If polite requests worked, there wouldn't be a million of these threads in the archive, all peopled by angry, distressed posters who just aren't being listened to. All there'd be would be one thread, several years old with an OP saying "Should disabled toilets be used by parents?", a list of responses saying "No. Please do keep out of them" and an update from the OP saying "Ok. I'll do that. Thanks for enlightening me."

But you know what, let's give it a go.

All of you who say you use disabled toilets and intend to continue doing so - please don't. You're making people's already difficult lives that bit more difficult.

[sits back and waits for every disabled-toilet user on this thread to come back and pledge to abstain in future]

[waits]

[whistles "The sound of silence" while waiting]

I often whistle that song in lessons, kungfupannda. Unfortunately none of the little darlings take the hint.

There are more posts where Fanjo wasn't insulting, derisive or aggressive. There has been name calling, sarcasm and goading from posters on this thread who are pretending to be whiter than white.

I can remember what Emily said, it was vile, MNHQ must have thought so too because it was deleted. But no one is mentioning that are they?

Let's all just pick on Fanjo who has been on these threads (and let's face it this is a thread about a thread) hundreds and hundreds of times. It is the same old shite, just a different day.

But it's not just on here, words on a screen to Fanjo and other parents, carers and disabled people, it is real life to them. We meet ignorant, entitled people far too often.

They probably have no idea what you're whistling.

Maybe Labyrinth or Fifty Cent can make a rap version and bring it back into popularity.

"Hello darkness my old MOTHERFUCKAAAAA....."

Actually, that sounds more like the Tenacious D version.

I'm clearly not down wid da kidz.....

I once had to write a list of famous black Americans on the board as the kids shouted out the names. My inability to spell the rapper's names 'correctly' was a source of much amusement for the rest of the year.

I want you to live my situation - my exact situation - having THREE disabled kids for six years, putting up with the daily shit, exhaustion and social isolation and then encountering yet more shit when trying to engage with friends you've met online.

I want you to be verbally abused in public. I want your car to be criminally damaged and the police do nothing. I want you to be told there's no help for you dear, you're coping.

I want you to be routinely abused on here. I want you to be told that you and your family are a waste of resources and society would be better off without you. I want you to be berated for the 'lifestyle choice' of your kids being born disabled.

I want you to be harangued by other parents at orients evening because your child is taking too much if the TA's time.

I want you to set off for a much anticipated night out but be unable to go and have to turn around and go home when you get there as all the blue badge bays are taken by people without badges. I want your children to suffer the indignity of soiling themselves because people won't let you get in a lift to get to the loos.

I want you to be told by MNHQ that actually no, that post that contains downright lies about a situation you are directly involved with and is complete misinformation should stand because you can 'educate' people.

I want you to do all the above and then be sweetness and light about people abusing provision for disabled people. I want you to be GRATEFUL for my insincere sympathy, I want you to be grateful, pious and fit some ridiculous stereotype because it makes me feel better.

Actually I don't want all the above. I just want people to stop abusing provision for disabled people and trying to justify the unjustifiable.

I'm not scrolling back to check but was fanjo the one who said what happened with her dd at the weekend when they couldn't get into the disabled toilets due to a queue of parents. One poster told her she needed to queue with everyone else since they were as entitled to use it (baby change in it). With attitudes like that I don't blame her getting upset.

"Actually I don't want all the above. I just want people to stop abusing provision for disabled people and trying to justify the unjustifiable."

Yes please. This.