To want to leave this website for making me think about that one.

[filee777]

It's really really upset me, I've had some great support on this forum but I think I have to be off.

Such a shame.

If some of them know LtEves does that mean they are or have been genuine serving personnel?

LBE, slightly wrong there. No-one on ArRSe knows who I am and the person that was linked to when they were seaching for me, wasnt me. I recognised someone from their avatar on ArRSe and was pretty disappointed in her and what she was posting. I said that on here and she then commented on there about it, but I didn't respond to her posts.

LtEve

I believe the RMP may 'look into' threads posted on the Internet.

Whether they'd launch an investigation is another matter.

The chances are they aren't soldiers. In which case, there is no jurisdiction obviously. And as you say, it's not easy to prove people are serving.

All so tricky.

Good night :)

The website hosted in Latvia - ask.fm is giving over (finally) what they can about the girl who killed herself.

This is all so defeatist.

Oh we can't do this, we can't do that. Well, actually things can be done if there is the will.

I hope rabbit gets somewhere tomorrow.

I hid this thread yesterday because I was sick of being told I was a 'silly little girl' or whatever for being upset about the child abuse and rape that goes on at the hands of our army.

I had an email this morning so decided to check it out.

I will not EVER be happy that men and women wearing the uniform of my country commit such atrocities, and they DO. I think too many people ignore it, there is far too much 'us and them'. You think I defend terrorism? Quite the opposite, I appose ALL terrorism whether its committed by someone wearing a uniform or not.

I think a lot of this shit goes unreported and uncontrolled in the army and that is because people don't report it, because they know it will fall on deaf ears and because they are desensitised to it, if you are niave enough to think that the threats made against this country are nothing to do with our treatment of people abroad and the shit state we leave countries in then it is YOU who is deluded not me. I've been there, to Bahrain and Cambodia among others and I know exactly what the world thinks of us and our allies.

This 'they are all Heros' bullshit is no better than the stereotypical image we give to Muslims, except its in our papers, our ceremony's and now we can see a whole fucking website completely allowed to talk about fucking people up abroad and how great it is.

There is a sickness in this society and it is massive in the armed forces, it is not acceptable to treat people/women/children like this. If your families are in the armed forces then they need to be part of the change, because this shit is going on and it IS unacceptable.

'Pearl clutchy' about child abuse and rape FFS

I've been following this thread filee and FWIW, you do make very valid points. All this Heroes stuff does my head in. Just because you are a member of the Armed Forces and know how to wield a weapon doesn't automatically elevate you to Hero status.

I don't think its as bad here in the UK as in America, the jingoism, the flag waving, the notion that the military has a completely different set of rules and civilians "can't understand what its like". Complete BS.

Yes those 'Heroes' who beat senseless the owners of a Lanzarote restaurant;
The 'Heroes' that drink, spew and fight their way up the streets of the UK of a weekend night;
The 'Heroes' that grabbed my DD's breasts as she tried to serve them in a bloody patisserie of all places (there were eleven of them] and the owner chased them out with a wet mop;

They may not be representative. However nobody in my immediate Family has nor will ever in the future donate to military charities whilst a blind eye and a helpless attitude prevails.

Does that website have advertising? If yes then screen shots of the relevant offensive posts will and should be emailed to the head office of each company placing their adverts there.

I am not tarring them all. Can you not read LittleMiss? I said they may not be representative.

But we do not have loads of hyperbolic nonsense in the press about Hero' Currys workers do we?

For every 'hero' who rapes women and abuses children abroad, there are three who know about it and do nothing.

The difference between a civvy acting like a cunt and a member of the armed forces acting like a cunt is that the civvy isn't wearing the flag of this country and don't get called heroes.

It's a fucking disgrace and if the tables were turned, if that were an Iraqi website boasting about conquests it would rightly be out lawed. It's a fucking disgrace.

And I am soooooo tired of the whining about 'you have no idea about life in the forces'....As if that excuses anything. Regardless, this website has ex army Mods, there are serving and ex serving posters on there alongside the feebles who fantasise. I do not see a lot of sanctioning by the 'decents' in the manner of MN where posters will step in and censure ugliness.

Close contacts with MP friend, a Para cousin and three uncles one of whom was a lifer with service in NI, Malaysia, Germany and Kosovo has told me plenty I can assure you.

I have huge respect for the decent men and women who serve in the forces , but this is a totally separate issue. This isn't about the forces, this is about men who think that joking about rape and abuse is oh so hilarious.

Saying that, I read some of the Kenya thread, and think there are is a lot of typical 'squaddie' talk, and a few fantasists - one was challenged later in the thread.

The site is pretty grim, but no worse than many other websites - check out Reddit or some of the other fora on the internet.

In respect of their 'involvement' with Mumsnet - they are one of many male dominated websites whose members like to troll and provoke on this site. Just like a bunch of unruly toddlers, clamoring for attention. Best policy is to ignore, and report to MNHQ for deletion. And STAY OFF THEIR WEBSITE. They love it when we get all enraged.

If you think something should be done about sites like this, then look to the advertisers. Moderators of sites are quick to close down discussions if they think they will lose income. They have those funny hover links that show ads on the site. I doubt Knorr would like to be associated with these tales of debauchery in the desert.

Actually, Mignonette - there were a couple of posters who were challenged, to be fair.

Threads like this must be really hard for those who have relatives in the forces, particularly for those who have loved ones in dangerous areas of the world.

For all that they are just normal folk, and not all 'heroes', most of them are decent people doing a job in extremely difficult conditions.

Yes, weed out those who are abusive but don't tar them all with the same brush

well said MMeLindor

I can read mignonette. The reason you don't hear about heroic Curry's workers is because they don't walk on IED's and lose their lives or their legs, they don't pack up their uniform and leave their families behind for 6 months at a time.

I am not whining about 'life in the Forces' either. I am merely stating that no-one, not even spouses, unless they have served know what life in the Forces is like, they don't know what detachements and deployments are like. But the vast majority of the population, thankfully, have more than 2 brain cells so they can see though the fiction and embellishment that is on that site.

I am not hysterical Amrapaali, nor is my post a case of defensive ranting FFS. My DH, is a good man as is the majority of the people in the Forces. Twice in 24 hours I have seen posters say he is likely to be a rapist just because of his job. Would you like that? Where is their evidence? It is highly offensive, and in my mind MNHQ should not be allowing these posts to stand.

filee you need some help. You need to do more than log off and get a sandwich.

But hang on Littlemisswise surely if life in the forces is so hard and often traumatic - surely it stands to reason that more Forces than Currys staff would find themselves traumatised and damaged and prone to do awful things? Awful things do happen in warzones and somebody is doing them.

I am in no way calling everyone, or even many people in the army a rapist, of course not. But some (not all soldiers) do terrible things. And they should be held to account. And helped too, probably.

I am going to leave the Arsses out of things for now, on the basis it may well be just a dirty trollnest, and probably not real soldiers. But as a seperate issue it is pretty disturbing what some people fantasise about, and I hope it's true what they say - none of this would ever spill out into real life.

I am confused, was there ever a thread about child rape? as if yes, this should be reported to the police. not discussed on MN!

I dont want to see it, but am curious

Fromparis - apparently there was on a different internet forum for members and ex members of the military. I didn't see it though.

if that were an Iraqi website boasting about conquests it would rightly be out lawed

Err what? Who exactly would be doing this outlawing? No it wouldn't.

Filee, THIS IS THE INTERNET. It is completely wild and filled with people who like to make shit up. Most servers aren't even in their country of origin - eg ask.fm is in Latvia. The only countries who outlaw websites are the ones who have something to hide: Iran, China (to a lesser extent), Myanmar etc, and I don't think we should emulate them, frankly.

I loathe, absolutely loathe the kind of websites where violent and disgusting threads are positively encouraged (MmeLindor mentions reddit which can be quite frightening, as can 4chan) but I accept they have a right to exist. Unfortunately.

Also, the idea that soldiers are the root of all evil is massively overstating it. Soldiers are encouraged to behave in a pack fashion and as such bad things can happen, they can lose sight of what is appropriate behaviour and that is shitty. But the idea they are inherently worse than, say, the group of civilians who raped that medical student to death in India earlier this year, just because they are soldiers, is just wrong.

For all that they are just normal folk, and not all 'heroes', most of them are decent people doing a job in extremely difficult conditions.

Exactly that.

My husband IS a hero; to me. I don't expect anyone else to think he is.

What I can't stand, is that people call him a killer and a murderer (or rapist) simply because he's in the Forces. He isn't.

The pearl clutching reference made was not in reference to Child Abuse or rape and it's disingenuous at the least to try to make out it was.

It was later stated on the thread that child abuse wasn't even mentioned on that particular ARSSE thread. But ARSSE sems to incite a very strong emotion on this website (some might call it pearl clutching perhaps) even though only a fraction of the threads on it are in a similar vein to what is being discussed.

There are many sites as bad - if not worse - than ARSSE. And yet, it's always ARSSE that is identified on here.

I haven't said ANYTHING about your partner being more likely to rape littlemiss but i will say this, i think that people in the forces are more likely to ignore it.

I think they are desensitised to peoples feelings and allow horrendous things to go on unreported, i think they 'follow orders' even if those orders are acts of terror.

But yes, lets all feel sorry for the people who have CHOSEN to go to war, get PAID to be there and ignore the fact that a number of them are nasty cunts who abuse people for fun. Lets all feel sorry for those people, because they are so much more deserving of it than the children in war-torn countries who watch their families ripped apart, their mothers raped and their fathers killed, they deserve no sympathy at all, why?

Its not rocket science to see that the 'wars' this country wage abroad are misguided, bordering on illegal and WRONG, if you have CHOSEN to be a part of that then you dont get my sympathy. I reserve that for the poor fucks who have no choice. What about those who have families in Kenya or Iraqi? Should we spare a little thought for them? No no, lets concentrate on our paid 'heroes' shall we.

right. then this vile thread was on another forum.....

Look noone likes to read disparaging threads about Kenyan whores, nasty. But I do tend to agree that some are fantasists, and yes some are true.

But many threads there are just normal chatting and gossiping, not a massive difference to MN tbh, albeit slightly more usage of the term "cunt" if thats possible! sorry, but a few even made me giggle. so shoot me!

and again if someone reads a thread about child abuse fucking REPORT IT. there are bodies for this FFS

OP, if you feel strongly, report the link here

ceop.police.uk/Contact-Us/What-are-you-reporting/

and please let us know you have done it. Thats the right thing to do, not bitch spatting on MN about it.

The group of students that raped a girl to death in India were NOT doing it in my name, i have EVERY RIGHT to be more upset by those wearing my nations flag behaving in such a way.

Not least because it is THE MOST dangerous and real threat to my children's safety and security.

Our behaviour abroad, is abysmal. It makes people want to kill and harm us as well as our soldiers. It MUST be accountable, these people are paid to basically represent us abroad.

Saying 'oh well its not as bad as...' is bullshit. These people are cited as our 'heroes' they are what our young men and women are told to aspire to.

Having a fucking serious issue with that does not negate me having a serious issue with other fucked up shit in the world.

Sinister I was answering mignonette, with the Curry's worker thing because it was something she referred to from my previous post.

Awful things do happen in war zones, someone is doing them, there are of course good and bad in all walks of life, but that doesn't mean my DH and every other person in the Forces are more likely to be rapists than anyone else, which is exactly what has been said over the past 24 hours.

Any how, I'm off to spend some time with DH. He is packing to go away. He will miss DS1's A2 results, as he missed his GCSE results. He will be back for a couple of weeks then be gone until after Christmas. He feels really good about going knowing 'people' like filee have labeled him a rapist!