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Not to use exP's middle name for baby? ('IL' problem, who is BU?)

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chesterberry · 04/08/2013 10:06

I?m 38 weeks pregnant. As a bit of background exP and I were together 3 years before we found out (baby was not planned). On finding out I was pregnant he first tried to force me into an abortion and later made threats towards me and the baby. That caused us to split and he now maintains the baby is not his as we were using contraception.

I had a good relationship with exP's parents and over the 3 years we were together went to numerous family occasions and have stayed with them several times. His mother and I have maintained contact, mainly through facebook, and she is excited about baby (first grandchild). She has expressed how disappointed she is with her son and is planning on visiting with exP's sister when baby is born. I haven't been in contact with exP's father and didn't really know what his feelings are about the baby or the situation.

Anyway, all was fine until yesterday ExP's mother messaged me about baby and in message asked if I had decided on names yet. I said I had a few names in mind although still not sure but had decided on the middle name for both a boy and girl. The middle names I have chosen are both meaningful (grandmother's name or late uncle's name). I told ExP'sM the names I've chosen and why. She then got a bit funny and said, "Oh, you're not using [ExP's middle name] then?"

ExP's middle name is a family middle name which is passed down through oldest son - his father has that middle name as did grandfather etc. I knew this but it never occurred to me to use this middle name as ExP doesn't see baby as his (although s/he is) and has no interest in the baby or being a father. However his mother has now been messaging telling me how upset exP's father is that I won't use the name and that it's unfair of me not to carry on the tradition etc as it makes it look like I'm shunning baby's paternal side and they want to be involved even if exP doesn't.

This isn't the case at all. I have always maintained that I will ensure grandparents are involved where they want to be and have been in contact with exP's mother throughout pregnancy. However, I do not really feel comfortable with using exP's middle name if my child is a boy. I'm not trying to shun baby's grandfather but I do feel that, as ex is uninterested in baby and may not even acknowledge baby as his child it would be unfair on both baby and ex-partner to use his middle name. But his parents maintain that it is oldest son and that if my baby is a boy (which I am now beginning to hope it isn't) tradition dictates baby has family middle name.

If baby is a boy he could of course have two middle names, the one I've chosen and exP's family name, but for so many reasons I really don't want to. ExP really hurt me and although on surface I may be coping I miss him and I am terrified about being a single mum, I admit part of me feels he just doesn't deserve baby to have his family middle name, even if it will upset grandparents. I'm also now worried about telling them baby will have my surname and starting to regret being so keen to allow his parents to be involved.

So, am I being totally unfair and unreasonable towards ExP's parents, and particularly, father on this issue? Or are they being unreasonable in wanting me to use family name when their son refuses to be involved? I am really not sure and I want to do the right thing by them, but also want to do right thing by myself and baby. Thanks and sorry this is so long.

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HollyBerryBush · 04/08/2013 10:09

If you were a couple, I'd probably say you should bend a little and carry on tradition.

As you will be bringing this baby up alone with little input, then it is your choice and yours alone.

Will you be giving him the option to go on the birth certificate?

RedHelenB · 04/08/2013 10:12

The baby is half made up of ex p's genes though, so why not two middle names, they rarely get used tbh and it would make the baby's granparents happy! Don't take your hurt out on his family's side.

myroomisatip · 04/08/2013 10:13

You are absolutely NBU. Your child, you choose the names and do not let anyone make you feel guilty or unsure of your choices.

It is lovely that you can keep in touch with your IL's but, in your shoes, if I felt under just the teeniest bit of pressure from them I would back off. It is difficult enough going through a pregnancy and a birth without adding problems.

Do you have any support from your own family?

Oh and Congratulations Flowers

TidyDancer · 04/08/2013 10:15

They are not being unreasonable to bring it up, but yanbu to refuse. And in fact I think that's what I would do. I do appreciate it's difficult though. Their issue is with their DS, not you.

TidyDancer · 04/08/2013 10:16

RedHelen, she's not taking her hurt out on them. She has chosen names that mean something to her and since there's a very real possibility she will be that child's only parent, I don't blame her.

thebody · 04/08/2013 10:16

how horrible for you. well done for coping in such awful circumstances.

you call your baby what you like and tell ex p family that your baby deserves better than their precious son is offering and he isn't man enough to support you then why the hell would you call tour baby after him.how dare he/they pressure you like this.

have you got your own family support/friends network?

I would be very wary of his family to be honest and defiantly use your surname.

best of luck with the baby. you sound a really strong nice person and deserve much better than this twat can ever give you.

edam · 04/08/2013 10:16

No, you aren't being unfair at all. Ex-p is clearly a shit who doesn't even want this baby, so why the hell should you name the baby after him?

Tell your MIL what you said about Ex-p really hurting you and being scared about being a single parent (I bet you'll be fine, btw but it is a scary situation, pregnant women need to be cherished and ex-p is doing the opposite of that, the selfish, stupid git.) Point out ex-p has hardly covered himself in glory and although you are very glad that his family want to welcome the baby, it is hardly appropriate to honour ex-p.

If ex-p wanted to continue the tradition, he should have behaved like a decent man. The responsibility for continuing family traditions is HIS and he has chosen to abdicate all responsibility. (And anyway, even if you were together it's not a given the baby would have had his name, both parents have to agree on a name.)

Do they have other children, btw? Not that it should make a difference to you. But I wonder whether you can point out there are other opportunities for them to persuade their children to use the name.

BatwingsAndButterflies · 04/08/2013 10:18

YAsoNBU, it would be upsetting for you and possibly upsetting for your son when he is older. Can you tell them that ex really hurt and scared you and it would be upsetting for you to have such a reminder of him in your baby's name.

Inertia · 04/08/2013 10:19

Definitely give baby your surname, for practical reasons.

Presumably family tradition also dictates that the baby's father loves and protects it, rather than threatening to harm it and then denying any possible involvement with its conception. I would be reluctant to give in to emotional blackmail here, especially as Ex's father doesn't seem bothered about the baby either.

Charlesroi · 04/08/2013 10:23

I'd just tell them you understand their point of view, it's not their fault their son is an arse(better worded of course!) and that you'll think about what they've said.

When the baby comes it may be a girl so no problem. If it's a boy then decide what you want to do when you register him. There's no point in addressing the problem now when it may not actually be a problem, and if you like them it's worth keeping them onside for now.

Hope all goes well with the birth.

FriskyHenderson · 04/08/2013 10:30

Is she assuming that you'll be using her surname as well?

How much input is she going to be having in the baby's life?

CecilyP · 04/08/2013 10:32

You are definitely not being unfair or unreasonable not to use this name and, TBH, I think they have an enormous cheek to ask this after the way their DS has treated you. Agree with Inertia that it is emotional blackmail and totally unnecessary.

Good luck with the baby; you do sound a strong person and I am sure you will do fine.

Squitten · 04/08/2013 10:36

YANBU. Simply tell them that since their son refuses to have anything to do with his son, you are left to make all the parenting decisions on your own, which includes what the child's names should be. Then tell them the issue is closed.

pianodoodle · 04/08/2013 10:37

YANBU

I think it's good that they still want to be involved but what they're asking is quite insensitive to your circumstances.

Don't let them pressurise you into something you aren't happy about.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 04/08/2013 10:39

YANBU.

My dh's family has a family naming tradition. In my opinion it is dreadful and dh hates that part of his name.

We had a son 10 weeks ago (today!) and when we found out he was a boy I did ask dh if he wanted to use the tradition (whilst thinking "please no!") and his reply was "fuck no!") so we haven't.

Not sure if FIL is hurt - he hasn't said so - but IMO only one of the parents should choose to continue a family tradition. In my case we are not due to dh hating it. In your case you should not as your ex-p doesn't believe it is his. You could (and perhaps should) even argue that to do so would be wro g as it is almost as if you are trying to make a point to your ex-p.

Even if your ex-p was looking likely to be daddy of the year it is not guaranteed that you would use the name - names have to be agreed by all parents.

I think you should email your ex in laws back, explain that you are happy with your chosen name and say (again!) you would love to have them involved. But remember - they have no rights! If they have any sense they will realise this and not put pressure on you at a difficult time.

twinklyfingers · 04/08/2013 10:39

You sound very reasonable, I am full of admiration for you. Your exp's mother also sounds lovely. Your exp has put you both in an awful situation, you in particular.

Given how understanding his mum sounds, I would paraphrase what you've said here as it sounds rational and understandable: I have always maintained that I will ensure grandparents are involved where they want to be and have been in contact with exP's mother throughout pregnancy. However, I do not really feel comfortable with using exP's middle name if my child is a boy. I'm not trying to shun baby's grandfather but I do feel that, as ex is uninterested in baby and may not even acknowledge baby as his child it would be unfair on both baby and ex-partner to use his middle name.

I would also mention that you understand this must be difficult for her as this cannot be how she imagined having her first grandchild. But this is not how you imagined you'd be having your first child either.

YANBU. You don't sound like you're taking anything out on the grandparents.

ForgetfulNameChanger · 04/08/2013 10:40

YANBU. Don't let them pressure you into making decisions you don't want to make. If it is stressing you out a lot, maybe a bit of distance would be good too so you can focus on enjoying the last few weeks of your pregnancy and welcoming baby into the world. It would be such a shame if this hangs over everything and spoils it for you.

RedHelenB · 04/08/2013 10:41

Tidydancer - it sounds as though the paternal grandparents want to be involved though? And part of that baby's heritage comes from that side of the family. I was lucky I guess in that the tradition of one name was also named after my brother. And now ds does have a bond with his dad after not seeing him for a year after his birth. I am looking at it from a different viewpoint.

EllesAngel · 04/08/2013 10:43

YANBU It may be their family tradition but you will have your own family traditions or will want to start them. As you're the one who will be bringing up this baby it's your choice.

LilacPeony · 04/08/2013 10:44

I really don't like it when grandparents try to force a name onto their grandchild and considering how their son has behaved i think there is even less reason for them to expect to have a say in your son's name. If your exp gets back in contact before the baby is born and apologises and says he would like to be involved with the baby, then he can have a say in the name, but not the grandparents.

Airwalk79 · 04/08/2013 10:44

Well tradition also proberbly dictates a lot if things, like him not being a twat? But he's made his decision and that means he's handed the reins over to you! You are not being unreasonable at all! Call your baby whatever you like, tell her your going to call it something daft like Derek then when you don't theyl be grateful.

Enjoy every minute with your new baby and don't be bullied into anything! Nothing wrong with wanting a week without tons of visitors at first either!

ByTheWishingWell · 04/08/2013 10:45

YANBU. Not at all. And I think your exP's mother is BVU in pushing this issue- even if your exP was to be involved in caring for your baby, that still wouldn't give his parents the right to name him/her.

I assume it is also family tradition for fathers to acknowledge and care for their children. As you exP isn't prepared to do this, I really don't think the tradition is relevant here. I certainly wouldn't name my DC after someone who had treated us so badly. Stand your ground- I don't think you owe any explanations, but if you really want to stay involved and on good terms, explain your reasons calmly but firmly to his mother. Don't let her guilt trip or pressurize you into giving your DC a name you aren't comfortable with.

Good luck and congratulations! Flowers

chesterberry · 04/08/2013 10:45

Thanks for your responses. I am pleased you don't all think I am being totally unreasonable.

To answer an earlier question I will be giving exP the option to go on the birth certificate, although I doubt he will turn up as he maintains baby isn't his. If he does turn up I still won't be using his surname though.

I do have a good support network here, my family have been great (although understandably are furious with my ex) - I haven't talked to them about this as they are not entirely happy I am letting paternal grandparents be involved as they feel I should have turned my back on whole family. I also have good support from the majority of my friends. Ex and I share a lot of mutual friends and a couple have been difficult/ taken his side but mostly they have been good. I am not needing to lean on exP's parents for any support but I wanted to let them be involved for sake of my child because I think they will be good grandparents more than for me or my exP.

I think as suggested I will explain to ex's parents that my reason for not using the name is not to shun them but because ex has really hurt me and I don't want baby's name to be a reminder of that. I will also point out that tradition also suggests exP will welcome and love his child so thanks for that idea. I do appreciate that it would be nice to honour grandfather (and he is a nice man) but I feel it inappropriate in this situation - I'm also worried exP would be furious. He doesn't see this baby as his and so if he has children in the future may want to use the name then?

Think I will try and explain myself more honestly to exP's parents anyway and like the idea of saying I won't make a final decision until baby is born and we know whether s/he is a boy or girl. Thanks everybody, you have made me feel a bit better about the situation and my stance on it.

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LilacPeony · 04/08/2013 10:46

I agree with I assume it is also family tradition for fathers to acknowledge and care for their children. As you exP isn't prepared to do this, I really don't think the tradition is relevant here.

laeiou · 04/08/2013 10:47

Absolutely awful for her to lay emotional blackmail on you at this stage of pregnancy. They should be supporting you at this time, not waiting until you're at a vulnerable stage to bring up the topic.

I agree with a pp, presumably the family tradition is that the eldest son has a relationship with his child and the mother of the child?

I would not use the family name. Honestly this is the sort of thing that people often post about after the birth - being pressured to use a name when you're at your most vulnerable (even within a good relationship, it's still a vulnerable time.) Please use this opportunity to draw some boundaries with the in-laws. And please say you're using your own surname?