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Not to use exP's middle name for baby? ('IL' problem, who is BU?)

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chesterberry · 04/08/2013 10:06

I?m 38 weeks pregnant. As a bit of background exP and I were together 3 years before we found out (baby was not planned). On finding out I was pregnant he first tried to force me into an abortion and later made threats towards me and the baby. That caused us to split and he now maintains the baby is not his as we were using contraception.

I had a good relationship with exP's parents and over the 3 years we were together went to numerous family occasions and have stayed with them several times. His mother and I have maintained contact, mainly through facebook, and she is excited about baby (first grandchild). She has expressed how disappointed she is with her son and is planning on visiting with exP's sister when baby is born. I haven't been in contact with exP's father and didn't really know what his feelings are about the baby or the situation.

Anyway, all was fine until yesterday ExP's mother messaged me about baby and in message asked if I had decided on names yet. I said I had a few names in mind although still not sure but had decided on the middle name for both a boy and girl. The middle names I have chosen are both meaningful (grandmother's name or late uncle's name). I told ExP'sM the names I've chosen and why. She then got a bit funny and said, "Oh, you're not using [ExP's middle name] then?"

ExP's middle name is a family middle name which is passed down through oldest son - his father has that middle name as did grandfather etc. I knew this but it never occurred to me to use this middle name as ExP doesn't see baby as his (although s/he is) and has no interest in the baby or being a father. However his mother has now been messaging telling me how upset exP's father is that I won't use the name and that it's unfair of me not to carry on the tradition etc as it makes it look like I'm shunning baby's paternal side and they want to be involved even if exP doesn't.

This isn't the case at all. I have always maintained that I will ensure grandparents are involved where they want to be and have been in contact with exP's mother throughout pregnancy. However, I do not really feel comfortable with using exP's middle name if my child is a boy. I'm not trying to shun baby's grandfather but I do feel that, as ex is uninterested in baby and may not even acknowledge baby as his child it would be unfair on both baby and ex-partner to use his middle name. But his parents maintain that it is oldest son and that if my baby is a boy (which I am now beginning to hope it isn't) tradition dictates baby has family middle name.

If baby is a boy he could of course have two middle names, the one I've chosen and exP's family name, but for so many reasons I really don't want to. ExP really hurt me and although on surface I may be coping I miss him and I am terrified about being a single mum, I admit part of me feels he just doesn't deserve baby to have his family middle name, even if it will upset grandparents. I'm also now worried about telling them baby will have my surname and starting to regret being so keen to allow his parents to be involved.

So, am I being totally unfair and unreasonable towards ExP's parents, and particularly, father on this issue? Or are they being unreasonable in wanting me to use family name when their son refuses to be involved? I am really not sure and I want to do the right thing by them, but also want to do right thing by myself and baby. Thanks and sorry this is so long.

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TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 10:26

Registering the baby shouldn't take weeks, FH.

EagleRiderDirk · 05/08/2013 10:37

doctrine it took 3 weeks for us to register DD and 1 for DS, earliest appts available and both booked on their days of birth. Just depends how busy your office is.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 10:42

Wow!

chesterberry · 05/08/2013 11:28

Thank you for all of your advice regarding registering the birth. I had been led to believe that if I didn't invite him to attend and he later applies for his parental rights it would count against me as it would look like my choice not to involve him, rather than his. Maybe though that risk is smaller than the risk of inviting him and having him turn up. I hope he has moved beyond his wish that the baby didn't exist and I don't think he would harm him/her were he to have contact, but I can't say it doesn't cross my mind in my darkest hours. I would rather he have to fight for his PR, thus proving he cares about his son/daughter, than just get handed them, although maybe that is unfair of me.

I do have a niggling feeling about involving baby's paternal grandparents - short term I think it will be fine and my mum is coming to stay with me for a month or so to be there for birth and first few weeks. That means she will be around when paternal side come to visit, they have met before and my mum got on with ex's mum, although my parents think I am being foolish not to withdraw all contact with them. My argument is that if they have contact with grandchild through me they are less likely to pressure ex to get involved to have contact through him. I don't think my mum will let them take control of anything whilst she is there anyway. Long-term in truth I have no idea how this is going to work or what anybody's expectations are. This is the first time that ex'sM has made any suggestions re: baby and I think maybe the possibility that she is getting pressure from her partner is accurate. He comes from quite a traditional family (previously of money although that has all been lost now) and I think he likely feels embarrassed that a) we weren't married and b) his son has not done the 'right thing' (probably to wed me asap) but has rather run off. Maybe he is trying to cling to something he sees as normal and proper?

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HoikyPoiky · 05/08/2013 11:45

I would still say he can be there to register the birth. It is his choice then. He has acted really terribly but maybe he will change Confused. You were with him for three years. ??
Whatever happens in the future I just think that your child may prefer to have a name on the birth certificate for their 'father' rather than 'unknown'. Even if the father turns out to be a bastard. It is, sort of, more truthful? IYSWIM If he doesn't turn up then that is up to him but you will have done as much as you can do.

I understand this is a bit of a contentious view and that a lot of posters will disagree but I think it's what I would do.

TheDoctrineOfAllan · 05/08/2013 12:00

I don't think it says unknown, it's just blank?

Anyway, the child will know their father's name whether on the certificate or not (Ed Milliband famously wasn't on for his child)

chesterberry · 05/08/2013 12:34

He has acted really terribly but maybe he will change. You were with him for three years?

I am kind of hoping that he will change. Before this he was the perfect partner, we shared lots of friends and interests, lived together and hardly ever argued. He did his share of everything, he was romantic and spontaneous, our relationship was perfect and I thought that we would be together forever, get married and have children. A couple of our friends have children and he's always been pretty good with them. We had plans to go travelling together before settling down which he was really keen to do and we had started to save the money for this.

It was just like when I announced I was pregnant a switch flicked in his head. Initially he was being very kind and promising to support me, but I quickly realised he meant 'support you through the abortion' rather than 'support you to raise the baby.' When I said that I wouldn't have an abortion he became very moody and sulky and kept trying to pressure me into it, making snide comments about miscarriage etc and insinuating I'd been sleeping around and that the baby wasn't his. He was horrible and it was like he was a completely different person - I never in a million years would have thought he could act that way. He was drunk when he made the threats to me and the baby, but he had made lots of cruel comments when sober too.

There is a part of me which is hoping this is just a horrible phase, that he is almost grieving for the life we had planned (particularly the travelling) that we now can't do and that once the baby is born maybe he will soften and go back to the person he used to be. On the other hand I don't know if I could ever trust him again, from his point of view it would be better if the baby didn't exist and so how could I ever trust him to be alone with our child? If he gets parental rights and contact presumably it will be just him and the baby and I don't know how I would get through the worry of those hours, thinking he might do something stupid. I mean I don't really think he would, but then if someone had told me 9 months ago he would have been like this there is no way I would have believed it.

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Wibblypiglikesbananas · 05/08/2013 12:39

Like I said up thread, given this unpredictable side of him you've discovered and the various threats he's made, drunk or sober, you need to make sure his actions are logged somewhere in case you need them as evidence later on. Get a good lawyer and have all the facts you need to hand.

MrsHoarder · 05/08/2013 12:49

It is possible for him to be added to the birth certificate later if he comes around in time: see here. So its not that if he doesn't come to originally register the birth he has to go through the courts, if he comes back to you and you feel he has grown up enough to co-parent then the pair of you can just reregister the birth with his details added.

You cannot however remove a father from the birth certificate. If he comes to register the birth under family pressure and then vanishes he will still be there.

MrsHoarder · 05/08/2013 12:50

he will still be there

I mean named on the birth certificate. Not that being named will force him to be responsible.

zipzap · 05/08/2013 13:19

I totally get why you don't want to use your ex's middle name and in your position I wouldn't either.

However, is there another name from within your PIL's side of the family that you could use as a third middle name to give your dc a link to them rather than your ex?

So for example if your mil had olive as a middle name could you use Oliver for a boy? I'd definitely be tempted to go for something from mil's side (assuming there's no other great names on fil's family tree!) - and say that it's time to start new traditions honouring the matriarchal side of things. But then that means do you want to include something from your own side?

If they push it again and you don't want to include anything relating to them, I'd just say that it's tradition in your family for everyone to have their own name and that as their son has run away full speed from being a father then it's your family traditions that you're going to follow...

anonacfr · 05/08/2013 13:41

You know what? You have enough to worry about without thinking about their feelings.

Having a baby should be a joyful occasion, not one marred with threats and emotional blackmail. It's your body and your baby. Just focus on that, surround yourself with people who actually care about you and not the baby (the ILs are obviously keen on the name thing because of a family tradition).

If the birth certificate is really troubling maybe send a quick text after birth to tell him/where to come to sign it and leave it at that.

In your shoes I wouldn't. From what you're telling I have a sneaky suspicion that he might show up and suddenly insist on not just the name but maybe even his surname and you might find yourself with a ridiculous fight on your hands.

Quite frankly he's been an utter shit to you and he had plenty of time to get used to the idea and step up. He hasn't. Fuck off then.

GreenSkittles · 05/08/2013 13:52

Re: this middle name that goes to the first born son. if your ex marries and has a son in the future, they will want that boy to have the middle name - the 'legitimate' one with their surname. You can count on that 99.9999% I'm afraid.

If your ex meets the baby and falls in love with him/her and wants to be involved, if he has any conscience he will have regrets about his conduct, and the baby not having the super special family middle name should be one of the more minor ones. You have been left to have this baby alone, the only bright side to that should be that you get to make all the choices over things like names.

It's quite a good test for your ex's parents too - will they still be supportive and friendly once they know their name won't be used? It's best to get the measure of their charcters sooner rather than later!

TheCraicDealer · 05/08/2013 14:00

It seems almost as if you're suffering a bereavement, such was the change in personality your DP exhibited. Nothing to add really to add re. the name (first instinct is to tell quasi-MIL to jog on), but I wish you all the best with the birth and the fun afterwards.

HoikyPoiky · 05/08/2013 18:11

oP
i just wanted to say sorry that my earlier post reads as being a bit flippant. I didnt mean it that way.

What you ex has done is really wrong. Sad There would be no way I could ever trust him again but maybe it is possible for him to have some sort of 'positive' relationship with your child in the future.

You sound like you are a sensible and strong woman. I am sure you will be a great Mum.

chesterberry · 13/08/2013 14:46

Just wanted to update and say that my gorgeous DD was born on Thursday - she was a little smaller than she should have been and we spent a couple of nights in the hospital but we are both home and doing well now.

Obviously the family name hasn't been an issue as it is only used for the eldest boy, I sent her paternal grandparents a photo of her and introduced her as [first name] [my surname] and they haven't said anything about her not having their son's surname. Ex's mum said she understands that I will be tired and won't want lots of visitors yet so they are going to visit the weekend after next so that I can have some time alone with DD first.

I contacted exP to tell him his daughter had been born and sent him a photo but he hasn't replied at all so I will be registering the birth later this week without him. Just wanted to say a big thank you to everyone who took the time to give me advice :)

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Inertia · 13/08/2013 14:50

Congratulations! Glad to hear all went well.

diddl · 13/08/2013 14:51

Congratulations!

MrsHoarder · 13/08/2013 14:52

Congratulations! Flowers

And thank you for coming back to update us.

Cuddlydragon · 13/08/2013 14:56

Congratulations on the arrival of your DD x

PurplePaint · 13/08/2013 14:56

Congratulations on your DD

IrisWildthyme · 13/08/2013 14:57

Congratulations on the birth of your lovely daughter. Flowers Brew

GlaikitFizzog · 13/08/2013 15:00

Aw congratulations! Another lovely little baby born into love (your love, not the waste of space of an ex you have, what a knob dr, not even acknowledging his child Angry)

Enjoy your snuggle :o

OxfordBags · 13/08/2013 15:02

Congratulations! Now you can concentrate on your lovely girl and get on with the rest of your lives.

Emsmaman · 13/08/2013 15:02

congratulations! Only catching up with the thread now but glad to see it was a non-issue in the end.

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