To think its not normal to be able to suck air into your vagina and then fart it out?

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Dd can do this on demand. Not that I demand she does it but she thinks its hysterical.

And it's not just a little fanjo parp. It's like a trumpet which just keeps going and going. She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it.

I've told her she'll knacker her pelvic floor.

And for the record, OP, I think it is a adolescent thing. I remember discovering similar when I was about 12 and spending ages lying on my back trying to make the sound - I thought it was hilarious in the same way kids think farts are hilarious. It was also fascinating figuring out these new things my body could do. It is completely healthy, imho.

If someone had then turned around and made a comment about shooting ping pong balls or any other sexualised coments, I would have felt ashamed and embarrassed about my body and to be honest, I think people (including OP) should just leave 12 year girls alone to discover their bodies however they like without adults imposing their own sexualisation on them.

Chaya nails it.

If people are ok anonymously discussing our girl children shooting ping pongs out of their vaginas in the way that gogo girls in Thai strip clubs do for disgusting overweight and middle-aged European tourists then how about we talk about various other sexualised degradation of these same 12 year old girls. After all, it is all just anonymous and a bit of fun! Someone masturbating over her! Someone oggling her newly formed tits! Hah hah hah hah!

apart fromm the sexualisation, I just find it so disrespectful

Me too.

And the whole calling of "po-facedness" just brings home to me again how fucking casual we are about the sexualisation of young girls. It doesn't take long to go from that to talking about Jeremy Forrest and his "lover."

Girl children are not objects for our amusement to impose our sexuality on. They are autonomous human beings with the right to respect and bodily integrity like anyone else.

Ok, I think there is a bit of extreme po-facedness and reading too much into it on this thread, but realistically the DD could be identified (unlikely, but not impossible) so perhaps not the best thing to be posting about.

I think it was a bit misjudged, that's all.

Have I missed something? I don't see any of the later responses defending the joke about ping pong balls etc. I think we're all in agreement its bad taste , although as some of us pointed out, more ill judged than a deliberate sexualisation of a child.

Now this thread has become what it was never intended to be.

I do think it was misjudged.

I'm also happy to be branded extreme po and prudish if that means I simply find the discussion and the subsequent references highly distasteful, thanks.

bloody hell talk about TMI and folk not knowing when they have gone too far - was the aim of this thread to brag? or to ask whether this "ability" was normal? or safe? Could you not have pretended it was you OP, rather than a child?

And shame on all of you who think it appropriate to make sleazy jokes about party tricks and adult entertainers. This is a child we are talking about.

"Deliberate" sexualisation or not, the sexualisation of girl children has become so normalised in our society that it would seem posters can comment about how a 12-year old girl (who is having delight in discovering her own vagina by herself in the privacy of her own home) should show the boys at school and make references to strip clubs and Benidorm without thinking twice. It would seem that young girls these days can't have bodily autonomy or delight in their own bodies without someone saying that it should be marketed for someone (usually male) enjoyment. Pretty sad in my po-faced opinion.

I agree with those saying they despair of the casualness and normailisation of this kind of thing in relation to our children. Slutty slogans on their clothes, revealing clothes aimed at little girls. It's wrong. Its like those sick newspaper countdowns to when charlotte church and emma watson were turning 16, And it's sad that so many people think because this sort of thing is out there at all then its normal and acceptable, when it's just bleurgh! OK, the OPs dd may have some anonymity on here, but would it be OK to have the same sort of converstaion at the school gate or a family BBQ. I flippin hope not!

I'm quite happy to say I stand in the po faced corner, and also to say that I've reported the thread for all the reasons already discussed. Disgraceful.

Her dad suggested she could make a career out if it? Grim.

Where is the op anyway?

I suggest a permanent name change

There are none so blind as those that cannot see. And other cliches.

Question: is Puppetry of the Penis sexual?

No, it's a bit gross, it's transgressive, it's not my cup of tea to watch. But basically it's some blokes who discovered they could do something amusing with the stretchy, ugliness of their genitalia and showing it off.

I don't see anything in the OP's original post that suggests people might take sexual pleasure from her daughter's trumpeting labia. She does, however, speculate that people might pay to see her extraordinary talent.

As for Sticky Vicky, the only person on this thread who's seen her is "someone's Nan".

It's gross-out stuff but I don't think it's sexual any more than a circus contortionist is. Just showing the wonder of the human body in all its peculiarity.

Ping pong remarks possibly different.

Those who are talking about sexualisation are verging on the Bowdleristic approach (covering the legs of pianos because they were too sexy FFS). It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

Some of the first few responses and the child's father likened it to "sexy" or the sex industry and that is what some of us are grossed out by.

Nothing wrong with my boundaries where pubescent children are concerned.

Is it fuck my mind that makes it sexy. Jesus fucking Christ. I would not discuss my adult daughters in this way, let alone a 12 yo. Did you actually mean to post such bollocks or is that just the shit you normally post. I hope no one discusses your daughter/niece like this or would it simply not bother you.

I am so far from po it's ridiculous but this is just plain wrong and I appalled at some of the posts on this thread.

It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

There's nothing I could say to that comment without getting deleted.

Bollocks.

AF The only posts I can see referring to sex are people saying the only time they've ever done it is during sex. Not referring to the DD in the same post.

Most of the responses are people saying that its not really that uncommon and sharing a story or two. Well that's the way I read it anyway.

As I said before, I don't see anyone defending the ping pong comments, or you tube comments, once it was pointed out how it may come across.

But for some posters to then escalate the thread by mentioning Jimmy Saville, rape jokes etc have gone way too far, and twisted this into something else.

Tuna, some respondents may not be directly defending the "ping pong" comments but by referring to those that are uncomfortable with the subject matter as "po", "pearl clutchers" or raising questions about what might be going on in their minds, they are tacitly agreeing with them

You either think it's ok to discuss a 12yo's vagina in relation to her making a living from using it, or you are not.

Don't be indirect, Tuna. By some posters, you mean me.

And that particular rant was me going full-po. I wanted to give the context of my objections to the sexualisation of children, because some of you "jokers" didn't seem to get it.

Apparently, feeling that sex jokes about children are crossing a line is something that needs justifying on MN.

Oh, and if you point it out, it means you see sex everywhere and might have something to "tell" everyone.

Awesome logic, people. Feel proud. You've reached a new low.

Not indirect She, more a case of I couldn't be arsed to quote your post.