To think its not normal to be able to suck air into your vagina and then fart it out?

[VivaLeBeaver]

Dd can do this on demand. Not that I demand she does it but she thinks its hysterical.

And it's not just a little fanjo parp. It's like a trumpet which just keeps going and going. She's trying to play tunes now. Dh thinks she will be able to make a career out of it.

I've told her she'll knacker her pelvic floor.

Tuna It wasn't just the ping ping comments but the comments about Benidorm, showing the boys at school, using it in a Thai strip club (a post the was deleted by MN, I think) and then any reference to those who objected as being "po-faced" that implicitedly both trivialised and supported the sexualisation of girl children for adult amusement.

And the fact that people (and one could presume mothers!) could post such comments without even thinking twice just goes to show how much we have normalised such sexualisation in our society. It is this normalisation that then leads us to dismiss complaints of sexual abuse by young girls as not credible or exaggerated because they were clearly "asking for it" by just having a vagina. Clearly this young girl was asking for people to sexualise her vagina (and indeed suggest she then uses it for male sexual amusement outside the privacy of her home) simply by engaging in some pretty normal adolescent exploration by herself at home. Not.

chaya5738 Wed 26-Jun-13 12:34:21

Chaya, this post was revolting. You conjured up a whole world of sleaze, misogyny and sexual abuse. You conjured it, for no clear reason. You are the only person on this nine-page thread to have introduced those images to a mainly cheerful discussion. A thoughtless ping-pong 'joke' did not make a graphic connection between OP's daughter and sleaze; you did.

What on earth prompted you to launch such an imaginative visit to some of Pattaya's worse strip bars?

I am actually genuinely curious now as to how many mothers/parents would seriously be comfortable with someone making a comment that their 12-year old girl could make money from her vagina and/or put it on public display for the boys in her school/dirty old men in Thailand.

Why on earth is the ping pong reference to then? Table tennis? Give me a break. And you may have actually missed the post about Thai strip clubs because it was deleted by Mumsnet HQ.

And a "mainly cheerful discussion". Please.

I am so frickin sick of the sexualisation of young girls being dismissed as simply "thoughtless"

"ogling her newly-formed tits" - Your words, I believe, Chaya.

This thread is scaring me now, so I'm hiding it.

damn right it's a frightening thread, for all the reasons chaya has stated

and the comment about the 12yo tits ? Why not ? We are all discussing a 12yo's vagina after all and how it can be utilised to earn her money and entertain users of the sex industry, so how far would we all like to take it ?

tits seem pretty tame when compared to that, tbh

Yes, my words to show exactly what we are talking about we when we say that it is ok to have a bit of a laff about ping-ponging in strip clubs. It is not fucking funny. It is disgusting. If you think it is funny to make a joke about her being in Beniform, or ping-ponging, or showing her "skills" to the boys at school then you'd better think a bit more carefully about what exactly you are laughing at. You are laughing at those disgusting descriptions I gave.

It is the same reason rape jokes aren't funny. Jokes making light of sexual exploitation are just not funny.

and hiding this thread now.

Just to repost my actual post for context, I wrote:

"If people are ok anonymously discussing our girl children shooting ping pongs out of their vaginas in the way that gogo girls in Thai strip clubs do for disgusting overweight and middle-aged European tourists then how about we talk about various other sexualised degradation of these same 12 year old girls. After all, it is all just anonymous and a bit of fun! Someone masturbating over her! Someone oggling her newly formed tits! Hah hah hah hah!"

But I don't make those associations! I didn't make those jokes. I don't make rape jokes, neither do I laugh at them.

When I hear a rape joke, I see a person unwittingly perpetuating rape culture, whether they are rapist material or not. I tell them it's not funny. I don't launch into a detailed and lascivious depiction of a rape from the rapist's point of view; that would be weird, wouldn't it? So why is it not weird when you do the exact equivalent on this thread?

Urgh ... twice.

Thread hidden.

urgh...twice

then garlic, you are experiencing what some of us felt on reading the op, and some of the early comments

welcome to our world

it feels like shit, doesn't it

As far as I can see there was only one comment by one person (or possibly two) about ping pong balls and that's been deleted.

I think the sticky Vicky comments came when the thread had moved on to posters' own pelvic floors/vaginas and wasn't in reference to OP's daughter just more look at how gross this is.

If the YouTube reference is about my post then if you read it properly I said that "its called a queef. Stick it in YouTube. There's a tutorial." Meaning stick the word queef in not put the kid on You Tube!

Badly thought out thread, an sure OP didn't mean to upset people.

Unless I've missed a post or two, a poster not liking this discussion up thread mentioned being 'po faced' and 'prudish' first. Then many other posters in agreement called themselves 'po faced' and 'prudish'.

Words/posts have been twisted to suit an opinion.

It's your mind that's making it sexy, darlings. Anything you want to tell us??

Jesus Christ. This thread has been a fucking disgrace from the start. And the above comment just about sums it up. THE OP'S DD IS 12 YEARS OLD AND PEOPLE ARE JOKING ABOUT MAKING A CAREER OUT OF THIS, INCLUDING HER OWN DAD. WHAT FFS, IS OK ABOUT THAT. And, yes, I was shouting there.
OP if you're still reading this, you might want to think about changing name permanently after this.

I suspect viva will be distraught at the way this thread has gone, I completely get the angle she has posted from (especially given her profession, midwives and children of midwives tend to be verrrry relaxed around vaginas) and a few posters have come and made this into something it was never intended to be.

Tuna, I said in my first post that I was feeling po-faced about this. I wouldn't say I didn't like the discussion, I'd say I was gobsmacked that people thought it was OK.

My aunt is a GP, she's very relaxed about vaginas and very open with her kids, as they are with her. On their terms. I don't know how happy they would have been about her posting hilarious details on an online forum, but, hey!

I think the way the op is being vilified and hounded over a silly post which was obviously light hearted is actually frightening.

Instructing posters to make change is bullying actually!

The ping pong reference was stupid and daft but was rightly deleted.

I think enough now ffs.

Another one here who is po faced. I read the first couple of pages wondering why I didn't find it funny like everyone else, and was so glad when others said how wrong they found it.

As an aside, I've done it a couple of times during sex,since having ds2. Luckily it was with a long term partner who laughed about it. But the fact that it could happen if I ever meet someone new scares me!

Would there be the same outcry if we replaced fanny farts with regular bumhole farts?