to think that mark Bridger deserves to have his "parts" removed?

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while he's awake hopefully?

well said janey

The high cost of prisons is largely because of the level of staffing needed to ensure the inmates don't create anarchy. I'm sure we'd all agree that those who work in prisons are entitled to be protected from violence

It's a method of control, I guess waterlego

I've never been in a prison but I'm convinced by people who have who say that you have to give people things - gyms, tellies, the hope of release - however fruitless - to be able to withdraw privileges if people transgress or to stop them taking hostage and beating up prison officers as some people did this week at Full Sutton.

But wtf do they know? They only go to work amongst these people every day.

(Er...chaos, not anarchy. Sorry to be a political pedant but all the anarchists I've ever known have been pacifists. Just saying.)

I'd like the death penalty back but not torture. I suspect sick horrors like him might enjoy torture. If all paedophiles got the death penalty or at least full life in prison at least it would cut the reoffension rate.

toffee really your rants,threats,boasts yes you do come across really hard of finking
you're incapable of grasping whole life order.are bragging you gadly torture
I think you're unable to regulate rage,frustration about this and it an manifests as oi! ave im

"If all paedophiles got the death penalty or at least full life in prison at least it would cut the reoffension rate"

the same could be said for all crimes. if your agenda is to cut out re-offending then just kill all convicted prisoners?

I'm putting me dinner on now because some people are getting really silly.

countries with the death penalty still have murders taking place, clearly its not effective a deterrent

I'd like the death penalty back but not torture. I suspect sick horrors like him might enjoy torture. If all paedophiles got the death penalty or at least full life in prison at least it would cut the reoffension rate.
Well obviously it would cut the reoffending rate. But, it has been proven, time and again that the death sentence does not cut the crime rate.

Thank you mother, I stand corrected :)

Exactly limited. It does my head in when those who think prison life is luxury bang on about how much it costs the taxpayer on account of the fact that the inmates have TVs and pool tables and whatever. The cost of those 'luxury' items is minimal compared to the cost of staffing, I believe. And as you say, the 'luxury' items are part of a strategy to control the inmates.

I've only ever been in a minimum security prison (as a visitor in a professional capacity, I might add) and that place gave me the shits. Like a PP said....you don't appreciate your physical freedom until it's gone.
Prisons are horrible places. You are not free, and that's just not natural for a human being. All the TVs and gyms in the world can't make up for that loss.

(The anarchists at university were the only well-organised ones on peace demos. They had a minibus)

Back to the main point - I also don't see the problem with prisoners getting an education. I'd like them to come out to more prospects than crime.

Yeah. Or at the very least, if they're never going to get out, achieving some kind of insight.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything that Janey has said on this thread.

Nobody can fail to be shocked, saddened and angry at what poor April and her family have endured at the hands of Mark Bridger. However, wanting to cut his bits off or string him up is not going to bring April back, nor will it lessen her family's suffering.

I am in awe of the dignity April's parents have shown - you don't see them screaming or baiting for blood. Surely, if they can behave with dignity, then we all can too?

Mark Bridger received the ultimate penalty that exists in our system - he will never be released from prison. Whether you believe he should die is irrelevant, the death penalty does not exist in this country for any crime. Incidentally, the death penalty seems to be an ineffective deterrent - most of the research and statistics published show that countries with the death penalty (or states, if you research the US) have an equal or higher murder rate than countries/states without the death penalty.

Whether you believe he should die is irrelevant, the death penalty does not exist in this country for any crime

Absolutely! It's a bit ridiculous how some people say 'I would like the death penalty' as if they're choosing from a menu in a cafe. It doesn't exist here and is thankfully becoming more rare worldwide. Many countries have abolished it very recently, nobody is bringing it back.

I think the hysterical hand wringing liberals on here are kidding themselves when they say a life in prison will be worse than death.

That wretched abomination WILL be able to take some pleasure out of his life. The prison WILL provide him with enjoyable things/activities. He WILL be well protected (he can sue them if they don't protect him).

Someone lacking any humanity at all, like him, will not find prison as harsh and terrifying as we would. These 'sorts' club together in prison and forge twisted friendships. He WILL have a endurable life I should imagine.

The RIGHT thing to do for irredeemable, unsafe individuals like this is to put them down. No torture, none of the inhumanity and terror they showed their victims. Just a painless and emotionless end with fanfare.

It serves no purpose to keep them alive save from making us feel that we are more humane then them. I personally think it is more inhumane for the parents of April or any other defenceless, innocent murdered child, to know that the murderer is still taking any enjoyment of this wonderful world that their child has been cold bloodedly denied. I would imagine, that the perpetrator is dead, is the closest thing to closure for the parents.

Our Armed Forces are trained to kill at our government's behest for the safety of our nation, I don't see an 'executioner' as being any different.

Of course common sense would dictate that this kind of closure would not come about for people who accidentally run over a kid in their car and only if the evidence was irrefutable as in this case and the case of Stuart Hazel and similar.

Just IMHO.

'hysterical hand wringing liberals'

RTT Lion - there are people who give first hand accounts of what prisons are actually like, rather than the Daily Mail's version.

without fanfare sorry.

Can any of you say that it was RIGHT for Winnie Johnson to die whilst her son's killer outlives her on this earth. Aside of course from the fact that he tortured her to her dying day by denying her the ability to lay her son's body to rest. I think she may have had some closure in knowing he was dead before she was.

'The RIGHT thing to do for irredeemable, unsafe individuals like this is to put them down.'

We are not animals. Your approach to the debate is misguided. Why do you presume to know what would be 'closure' for April's parents.

I wish some people would just think ffs.

Ian Brady is desperate to die Lionessy.
It's what he wants.

Er...Lionessy, you DO realise that there have been some horrific miscarriages of justice don't you?

The only hysteria I've seen is from the string 'em up proponents.
It's strange how "liberal" has become an insult of late.

As for forging friendships - he'll be forging friendships with all sorts of scumbags, so, he'll either:

a. Occasionally think to himself, while gazing at his reflection in his scratched metal mirror: "Fuck me, my chums are all psychos, like real live sick puppies, what does that actually make me...?" or
b. He won't care, which means that being in the midst of real sick puppies is exactly where he should be.

If these people are actually capable of real friendship, that is.

I think I would support the death penalty being brought back for cases like this one. But not barbaric practices.

Lionessy, of course what Winnie Johnson suffered was unimaginable. Yet, I fail to see how a death penalty would have given have given her that wish of burying her son. Ian Brady had no wish to ease Winnie's suffering, I expect he will take that secret to his grave.

I find it laughable that you use the words 'hysterical hand wringing liberals' just because some people can see that the death penalty will not lessen the likelihood of crimes like this happening. I also doubt whether it would ease the suffering that April's family are going through.

You advocate a painless and emotionless death - that does not exist.

YANBU - I think we're too soft in this country - the US has the death penalty and I think it should apply here too in extreme cases.