to think that mark Bridger deserves to have his "parts" removed?

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while he's awake hopefully?

Exactly Marjorie, for a lot of prisoners it's better life than they already have. They are, fed, housed, educated, warm. The American system seems much better, more like punishment. I do not trust te British judicial system on little bit. Whose to say he won't be out in 15 years!

I also think that it's possible to be horrified without going all pitchforky.

erm-that norwegian guy (the school killer) with his own seperate room and access to computers.

ian brady apparantly (not sure how accurate this is, i read it somewhere)had all mod cons and soft furnishings in his.?

i know someone who worked in a prison.

Limitedperiodonly- agree with every word you've written. I also think toffelollys post, conjecturiing what may have happened to April is utterly sick and heartless to her poor parents. I hope MNHQ have the sense to delete it. No doubt the worst nightmares are already inescapably in Aprils parents heads. They don't need to see sickos playing out their fantasies on a public forum.

This is THEIR child THEIR grief and its interesting how they manage to handle it with far more dignity than some strangers on an Internet forum

what happened to punishment?
What happened to being able to come and go as you please?
What happened to having a little flutter on the gee gees, going to the pub when you fancied a pint, nipping to the corner shop for an ounce of baccy or just some sweets?
Oh, and actually, high security prison wings are not pleasant. They're not usually particularly clean, wi fi access tends to be intermittent, computers/laptops are not standard issue, but purchased with own funds. The point is, he isn't at liberty. That in itself is a punishment and the stuff about prisons being like a holiday camp, well, apart from the fact it's complete bunkum, a holiday camp which you can never leave is not that appealing, surely?

Grief tourism, precisely.

I can assure you my one visit to Pentonville was horrible, by the way.

what pigletmania said.

Gosh, some of you are making prison sound like a holiday camp.
I think I'll commit a crime and try and get a place.
Do you think they'll let me bring my dog?

Please find a source for 'what you read'. I have no idea what Brevik has, but I do recall the stunning dignity with which the Norwegian people repudiated him.

Exactly Marjorie, for a lot of prisoners it's better life than they already have. They are, fed, housed, educated, warm. The American system seems much better, more like punishment. I do not trust te British judicial system on little bit. Whose to say he won't be out in 15 years!

Exactly how much do you know about the british judicial system Piglet? Not a great deal if your last comment is anything to go by.

They might lady. Yes t is true is it not that they are fed, got a roof over their heads, clothed, educated! I recall one homeless man in this weeks Skint programme saying that rison is preferable (not his words)

btw for ''less'' crimes Im all for second chances, education and a chance to be released and make something of their lives but cold blooded murderers are a different kettle of fish alltogether and as a poster said, they alwasy appeal every 10/15 years or so.

some people have had a poor upbringing and no proper family life but others....

Dawn how much do you know, please tell me, as I would lie to be educated

who's to say he won't be out in 15y?
the Home Secretary and the criminal justice 2003 act
only Home Secretary can revoke whole life

janey thanks. I think posts like that should stay so we can see what people believe and make a judgement. People are entitled to their beliefs, and some of us are entitled to believe they're wrong.

pigletmania what part of 'whole life tariff' do you not understand?

Mark Bridger will never leave prison, however many times he appeals.

Hasn't Bridger been given a sentence of 'whole life sentence'? This means he will NEVER be eligible for parole, never mind in 15 years. He will die in prison.

Let's hope that we trust that they will

I will ask my friend who works in Oakhill prison in Milton keynes

I know a great deal. In fact I'm currently sitting in my brother's study. He is a barrister. What would you like to know?
For a kick off, my brother doesn't entirely approve of the system either, he, along with many others feel we would be better off with the Norwegian system. He has also assured me that Bridger is unlikely to leave any institution other than in a coffin.
I have taught in prisons, I am a believer in rehabilitation. They are not pleasant spaces, they are not holiday camps, they are in the main, not even fit for purpose, many having been built along the lines of the Victorian octagon system, making them loud, noisy and difficult to keep clean. Oh, and of course, due to the build, lacking in privacy, dignity and in many now, due to sheer numbers, decent sanitation.

some of you clearly don't grasp concept whole life order.it is penal sentence til death
can only be revoked by the Home Secretary.no automatic early release

What has been done to him. Fuck he is kept in a cell in his own with other sex offender's like him , with 3 good meal's a day likely a large flat screen t.v. So is that what he deseve's? Well all I can say is what a life, o and nice warm bed. Well let's hope somebody is waiting or get's to him sometime. Why should life be easy for him. Oh donna do not compare me with that evil scum, you are out of order with that comment.

Lets just hope they keep him in for a life tariff. I understand what Dawn is saying re our judicidiual laws, they very rarely mean what they mean and i don't think prisoners are punished enough.

no you clearly do not understand if you think bridger will secure early release
whole life tariff is removed by Home Secretary.not a parole board
only Home Secretary can lift whole life tariff,last cases were whoe life tarriff removed were the Good Friday agreement prisoners in ni

toffee i am seeing in your comments the type of justification i mentioned upthread WRT state sanctioned murder.

in your mind the torture of mark bridger would be entirely justifiable. and that's the point- in the minds of people who do such awful things- they justify it to themselves. so can you see why some might think it odd that you can justify it for your own purposes but that you think it unjustifiable for someone with a different motive to do something similar?