To be shocked and frustrated with the Islamophobia that's bursting out all over Facebook today?

[Seekingsense]

Following the awful tragedy in Woolwich today.

I have seen everything from "We want our England back" to "Kick out all the foreigners" to "Islamic infiltration of the UK" etc. I have paraphrased as some of the stuff is so horrible I do not want to repeat it.

This is from normal everyday people and lots of them. Is this really what people think?

I, like most people am horrified by what has happened to this young soldier in Woolwich, but why is everyone so quick to blame an entire religion for it and to jump on the 'kick out all immigrants' bandwagon.

What can we do about it? Ignore, delete, post, report?

The fact that there is this thread and others because there is so much being posted on social networking suggests that there are huge numbers of people with strong anti immigrant, anti muslim views. Like it or not, we will not convince them otherwise. The FB postings would have disappeared without a trace otherwise and we would not be on here.
I work in job with people from very mixed backgrounds and a lot of the fb postings were being replicated in the staff room today.
These are people who will most likely vote in elections for UKIP as an electable option due to their stance on further immigration. They do know that BNP won't get anywhere!
Cameron has said today that the terrorists want to divide us, I think its rather like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

Two small children were hacked to death by their own father a couple of days ago. He was white. Six children were burned to death by their own father last year. He was white. Two women a week are killed by their partners though I'm not sure of the racial/ethnic breakdown of domestic violence. It seems to be a lot more acceptable to start talking racist drivel when something as unusual as this murder takes place, than it is to point out that there is a massive ongoing problem with violent men.

There was a member of the Muslim council on sky news today. His name was ajmal masoor. He has some very good points to make. He made my heart sing with his need and want for unity and his own hatred of extremists. I do think we need to see more of this from the Muslim community. They need to be vocal in their condemnation. Of course everyone has a part to play to try and defeat these nutters in out midst but the Muslim community must be more vocal. It's the only way.

And there's this which I have posted several times today, but which has been largely ignored, because it's doesn't fit the narrative.......

The thing that pisses me off is if this were two white men who had done this to a black soldier all hell would break out and it would be called a racist murder. When it is the other way around people have to list every white man known to earth who has ever committed murder to try and prove some point at how bad white people are. Either way the white person is never the victim. Solidbrass in the post above proves this - overlooking the fact in this case this was a potentially a racist, religious motivated attack by two black muslim men because white men have murdered too so it is ok.

Chocolatecake- might I suggest you rad the thread?

You see, you have done it too seeker. A white man can never be a victim like this soldier because somehow people always have to link to a case where the white guy has been the bad guy, almost trying to defend the black mens actions against this poor man.

If seekers link were what this thread were about I wonder how many people would be doing links to murders by white christians or how many black murders they would be listing? None. Because they would be branded as racist.

Chocolatecake, if it had been 2 white men murdering a black soldier, people would have said "oh how awful, nasty racists. Glad not all white men are like that"
Which is the point. An entire religion is being vilified and condemned for the actions of 2 extremists. Look at seekers link.

Seeker I looked at the link earlier, and was shocked that I hadn't seen it in the news! It's a tragedy, but of course no one cares as he was 'just' a Muslim :( I actually mentioned it to a friend this morning, and she said "yea but he wasn't a soldier was he" Oh, so its ok to murder an innocent man then, as long as he's not a soldier

Have you read seekers link ChocolateCake?

If not, I'll summarise it for you. Elderly man stabbed in the back on his way home from praying. National outrage, right? What kind of scum could do that?

His murderer still hasn't been caught.

Chocolatecake- have you stopped to think why the case I linked to didn't even make the main news programmes, but the awful crime committed in Woolwich was round the world twice in 10 minute?

ChocolateCake, you are missing the point entirely.

Yes, the men in question, claim to have been motivated by religion but is that the fault of an entire religion, as many FB comments would have you believe, or is it the fault of two, disturbed extremists?

When Breivik massacred people in Norway, as an 'anti islamic' terror act, was that the fault of Christianity?

seeker - why do you think it did?

"Chocolatecake- have you stopped to think why the case I linked to didn't even make the main news programmes, but the awful crime committed in Woolwich was round the world twice in 10 minute?"

Yes, this, exactly.

Because the butchering yesterday was on another level. Because it went to the heart of the British people, of our freedoms and democracy.

That is my point - they aren't even called nasty racists, they are called "extremeists"

If they were white they would be racists not extremeists

That is people don't believe racism towards white people exist. I have lost tolerance with it because I have been racially abused verbally so many times and have seen white racism on mn too yet it is always egnored, brushed off or not believed.

This is from a year ago but it makes me cry to watch as I wonder where our country is headed if we don't stop the immigration. We are doomed to lose our culture and we have all been brought up to not be racist and shut up and say nothing yet they are allowed to do and say what the hell they like!
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00pbclq

I agree with you chocolatecake. The murder of Ben kinsella was so clearly rasict yet not many media outlets went with that angle.

Why was it "another level"? Another level from a 75 year old man being stabbed in the back on his way home from the mosque?

No, if they were white and they murdered someone for being Muslim while claiming they did it in the name of Christianity, they would be extremists.

Race and religion are two entirely different things.

Yes it was another level. Shocking beyond measure.

Yes, because if the white man had been stabbed in the back with a knife and they had fled the scene then it wouldn't have the coverage.

The fact the men ran him over, butchered him and tried to cut his head off then stayed at the scene too let it be known it was an deliberate attack against our forces then yes it will be big news.

Exactly.
The Woolwich atrocity wasn't racist. It was extremism. Just as bad, but different.

The murder of the grandfather I linked to was racist. In the Woolwich case, the perpetrators are under arrest. In the other case, nobody has even been questioned, let alone arrested.

I am writing on my phone which messes up grammer

Would you care to comment on the Birmingham case? Any thoughts?

This is from a year ago but it makes me cry to watch as I wonder where our country is headed if we don't stop the immigration. We are doomed to lose our culture and we have all been brought up to not be racist and shut up and say nothing yet they are allowed to do and say what the hell they like!
Rubbish. We are not doomed to lose our culture. There are extremists in all religions. There are even non religious extremists.