To be shocked and frustrated with the Islamophobia that's bursting out all over Facebook today?

[Seekingsense]

Following the awful tragedy in Woolwich today.

I have seen everything from "We want our England back" to "Kick out all the foreigners" to "Islamic infiltration of the UK" etc. I have paraphrased as some of the stuff is so horrible I do not want to repeat it.

This is from normal everyday people and lots of them. Is this really what people think?

I, like most people am horrified by what has happened to this young soldier in Woolwich, but why is everyone so quick to blame an entire religion for it and to jump on the 'kick out all immigrants' bandwagon.

What can we do about it? Ignore, delete, post, report?

seeker the perpetrators are under arrest because they chose to stick around and have a pop at the police!

The grandfather case is tragic (and is one of many racially motivated murders that have taken place of people of all colours - including white -over recent years). Are you implying that the police aren't actively trying to find that poor man's murderer because they're all racist?

Seeker I read your link. It made me feel ill. 75 years old and stabbed in the back. It's unthinkable.

But I think the reason that this murder and the one in Woolwich have been treated so differently by the media/public is that in the Woolwich one, almost instantly it was called a terrorist attack.

Terrorism is the magic word these days, it's everybody's boogieman.

It's not racist because white isn't a race. I don't think it's racists to hate muslims either, isn't it islamaphobic? Either way, people can be vile and brutal.

The way the media is treating this is making me feel so uncomfortable. The instant soldier=hero leap, the 'fighting for his country' rhetoric that completely ignores what is actually going on overseas at the minute, the number of people who stood around taking pictures and filming it like it was some kind of spectator event, the cries to let them just die because OMG!1!! LYKE, OUR TAXES?!?! as if we don't spend much more tax payer money of stuff like dropping bombs all over the place overseas and buying toilet roll for people in already well paying jobs and this notion that somehow people should be sent back to their own country. When they were born here. and have exactly as much right as you to live a life free of persecution and free to practice their own religion and not be judged as less deserving because they like a different flavour of god. This is a country where we are still denying people equal rights based on their sex and sexual orientation for gods sake, and hideous violent acts like this do not happen in a vacuum.

I am incredibly sad for this poor man and his family, and angry that these men did something so horrific, but since they've got the masses raving and frothing like a pack of angry dogs, they appear to have done quite a good job in achieving their aims. David Cameron is a prize cunt, but he is right about terrorism trying to divide the nation. I wish people would just think about why the hell anyone would hack someone to death with a meat cleaver over politics and consider why this keeps happening.

I seem to have escaped the majority of the FB crap, I think I've weeded out the frothing beserkers over the years, though I did see one post that was along the lines of 'I'm the kind of person this government hates, white male taxpayer' and although it had bits of blatant racism and islamaphobia in it, it did seem to primarily be a benefit bashing rant. I hide that person from my feed (she's family).

Which is not to say that I think the difference in the way the murders have been broadcast is right or fair.

Dawndonna did you look at the link??

What you just wrote has made me feel umcomfortable and you are totally out of step with the public mood right now.

That was directed at hopalong btw.

Yes because again the old man was murdered which is awful, but black or white, people are murdered everyday.

Yesterdays attack was on another level, butchered it the street with his head attempted to be cut off with the murderers staying at the scene to make a statement against us. Yes that is going to be reported more.

Plus they only have the murderers because they stayed at the scene so donot make it sound like the police put the country on lock down to get the black murders whilst they let the white ones run free. Way to twist a story eh.

But Fluer, Christians and white people do have the right to protest!

Fair enough, you might not agree with what they are protesting about, nor do I, but that doesn't mean they were only allowed to protest because they are Muslim.

I don't think you can really draw too many conclusion from an unsolved murder tbh. I remember when the Philpott fire happened, people on here were ascribing it to benefits hatred. It wasn't, obviously.

Its a group of muslims marching through Luton saying " Police burn in hell" and saying that the people who are non muslim should burn in hell.

Fluer Yes dear, I saw it. How is it different from the National Front in the seventies, the BNP in the nineties and the current EDL?

"What you just wrote has made me feel umcomfortable and you are totally out of step with the public mood right now."

And they say 1984 was a work of fiction.

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with all the thinly veiled (well I say thinly veiled, perhaps transparent would be a more appropriate word to use) racism being displayed on here.

Everyone is aware, aren't they, that these two men are British born and bred, and that in fact one of them was bought up as a Christian?

I'm not getting this from woollyliberals.com either, it's been reported on the BBC News website.

I think the point is people are deleting friends from fb for saying bad things about muslims but will not mind, or even defend a muslim protest telling non muslims to burn in hell.

Because everyone in 'the public' feels exactly the same way.

I'm not condoning what happened, I'm really not, that man was the victim of a horrible crime, he did not deserve to have this happen to him Maybe he was a hero, maybe he was just an ordinary bloke walking down the street. The problem I have is that him being lauded as a 'Hero Soldier' (whether true or not) changes the whole reporting of the crime. What if this had been an out of work man, or someone with a less press-friendly job, etc etc. The crime is still hideous, but you can be certain it would dramatically change the way it was reported and the way people are reacting.

But then, I'm not one to 'support the troops'. What is happening around the world right now is very questionable and if it's leading to people acting like this then we need to talk about. And armed forces personnel are just doing a job in the same way that the police and firefighters and doctors and nurses are just doing a job. They do it with varying degrees of professionalism and quality. Being a soldier does not make someone a hero or a good person, and I speak as the child of a forces dad. He might have been the nicest person on the planet, he might have been an utter twat. The point is that is shouldn't matter - we should treat crimes like this with the same shock and horror regardless of the status of the victim, but we don't. It carries across all kind of crimes, and it is wrong.

That's not to say that the fact that he was killed probably because he was a soldier isn't important. Clearly that's the crux of the message these people are making. I think it is very foolish to write them off the way some people are suggesting. We wont bow to terrorism, but we should be listening to what they are saying. There's no justification for this crime, but that doesn't mean that they might not have a bit of point.

No we shouldn't listen. Why should we listen to fuckcases who behead random strangers in the street. Jesus.

Also the men doing the murders said it was because the British were killing Moslems in Afghanistan. What about the Taliban murdering fellow Moslems? Is that ok. This is what I find so hard to understand.

I have to agree with you Fluer. I think people are frightened and this is the thin edge of the wedge. Some of the extremists seem to have a mindset that died out in the middle ages here and they are British born which is scary.

Perhaps the prison authorities need to investigate prisoners being converted to Islam. Isn't that just to have a better life in the prison and not be bullied by the extremists?

Because they feel the way they feel for a fucking reason. And if we want to stop people from getting to a point where they are making a point in this kind of way, we need to listen to what they are saying and figure out how to stop this.

just for some of you

as long as people think all Asian people are Muslim and Muslim = not British and probably a wife beating, child exploiting terrorist - hate crime will thrive

Good grief, it's not even thinly veiled racism.

I think that man's two brain cells are having a fight over which words to use.

that is what you are dealing with when trying to engage with not racist but...types - it makes your brain bleed

He really puts the 'great' in Great Britain, eh?

Most people don't Gordy. My brother is married to a Chinese lady and she is Asian.

Some are Hindu, Buddist etc.

However, Islam does seem to cause alot of problems. I don't see it as a peaceful religion as it is claimed.

as long as people think all Asian people are Muslim and Muslim = not British and probably a wife beating, child exploiting terrorist

You do realise no one actually thinks that, don't you?