To be shocked and frustrated with the Islamophobia that's bursting out all over Facebook today?

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Following the awful tragedy in Woolwich today.

I have seen everything from "We want our England back" to "Kick out all the foreigners" to "Islamic infiltration of the UK" etc. I have paraphrased as some of the stuff is so horrible I do not want to repeat it.

This is from normal everyday people and lots of them. Is this really what people think?

I, like most people am horrified by what has happened to this young soldier in Woolwich, but why is everyone so quick to blame an entire religion for it and to jump on the 'kick out all immigrants' bandwagon.

What can we do about it? Ignore, delete, post, report?

Also you don't know what this soldier's remit/job was. Not all soldiers are in positions where loss of life is an above average risk, cf. say driving a bus.

*SarahAndFuck

They sign up knowing they might have to fight, might have to take lives, might lose their own. But nobody signs up to be run down in the street and butchered. That's not part of anybody's job description.*

I agree with the other poster; thank you!

Patpig you do get that you can be British and not be white don't you?

patpig that's actually a very valid point!

I say again, I have heard no 'bleating' and actually find that insinuation pretty ignorant.

What an ignorant thing to say, re a soldiers job description. As has already been stated.
Agree floral. Am struggling to comprehend the savagery shown toward that poor soldier.

"Erm, part of the job description of being a soldier is that you risk getting killed. Your job involves killing other people who will be trying to kill you. Of course this doesn't mean it's acceptable that this poor squaddie was murdered in the street by a couple of nutters (who apparently may have been crackheads, as well) - but it is just another illustration of how profoundly stupid some people are."

I find your post very upsetting and insensitive as you are clearly not someone who has ever lost a loved one in the Armed Forces. Show a bit of compassion for christ sake this man was the VICTIM of an unprovoked attack in the street whilst unarmed in broad daylight.

Yes his job involves the risk of being killed but that doesn't make people stupid for being appauled that this man was killed in the street because of the job he does.

Just imagine if this were your son, husband, brother - would you be saying "oh well he is a soldier so his job carries the risk of being killed so it's stupid to think it's shocking he was killed in a London street because his job risks being killed anyway."

I am annoyed with the papers for printing what the killer said because they have played into their hands by printing a message that the killers want everyone to hear/read.

I agree with chocolatecake, I also think it's a bit strange the emphasis is on the evil that is religion without acknowledging that at least 2 of the three women who intervened to sit with the murdered man/calm the other were religious too

gordy I don't think it actually matters to some that a black person can also be British. The main thing is that some communities would like to see all their neighbours have white skin, whether they are British doesn't really matter, as long as they look the same and don't frighten them. The ethnicity thing is a total red herring. Some folk are just plain racists.

patpig i am curious but what is your point about the jewish youtube video?

And some people don't like white faces and are plain racist it's a two way street.

I have been on a deleting spree today, I am not racist and I don't want racist people on my account.

Wintertimeisfun, I was just trying to demonstrate what might be considered a Christian/Jewish/Muslim area, as opposed to what we have in the UK which is a vague professed allegiance to a wishy-washy faith.

nah, patpig you directed MN posters to a youtube video of a twat who happened to be a jew being an arse. i don't see what the fuck that twat has to do with this post. i had to turn it off half way through as it made me cringe. he is being an arse, WTF connecting it to this post

Well said ajmal masoor from the muslim committee. Lets here more from him.

Well yes he was a twat, as are many people, but I was more thinking about the group of what are apparently private police, of very similar appearance, who turn up to lend a hand. It's quite intimidating, and makes it clear that the area is a Jewish area, specifically, rather than just another suburb.

i didn't watch the whole thing so i don't know what you are talking about. jewish thugs who come and 'sort out' non jews?? i'd like to see that :)

Well for instance, 30+ years ago, schools in East London were almost 100% white British.'

What? In the 70's and 80's? No they werent. Thats where I grew up and I was a teenager in the 80's and I can assure you the East End wasnt 100% white British by a long chalk.

just defriended a couple of people on FB with pics of Enoch Powell and past quotations etc and all of their friends agreeing with the posting etc... It's when you think you know someone and then something like this happens you realise you don't really know them at all!

there are a lot of bad people everywhere... in every religion all over the world. Yesterday a dispicable thing happened, tomorrow, somewhere in the world, another act will happen that we won't even hear about... please let's not tar every person with the same brush, and lets hope that these people are a minority.

I was utterly horrified to find out today that a close friend of mine is islamaphobic. We had a long talk, but it rocked my world :( I hope she has a different view point now.

Well, this thread just illustrates 1) how easily what those nutters yesterday wanted to happen can happen - people set against people
2) And Facebook is serious shite that I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

OP I see your point. i was torn between simply deleting or commenting. I usually ignore and report but it exploded across my timeline that much I had to comment. However, I point blank refused to share the Video and asked people to take it down. Not because it might have offended someone but my gosh! that poor mans' family! , I actually pointed out to my Sister would you not be cross if something had happened to your Ds and you found out like that?

I digress slightly but did anyone who is on twitter who saw the immediate reports see them saying the man was shouting "god is good" Initially before they then reported Alluhu Akbar (sp)?
Forgive my Ignorance but do they both mean the same thing?

Unfortunately, some people will take more convincing than a facebook 'defriending' to point out that they are wrong. I know a lot of people with these views, mainly 40 plus age group, and the nutters who commit atrocities in the 'name' of their religious beliefs are handing them their 'arguments' on a plate. I have refused to engage as their views are entrenched.

Everyone is entitled to a view though aren't they. No one is ever going to agree with everyone elses view point and we don't have to accept or like everyone just like not everyone around the world accepts or likes us. The world is like that because everyone is different, has different beliefs and tolorances and this whole "we must agree, accept, like everyone" is nonsense.